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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:41
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Stanley
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Posted - 23/12/2011 : 05:00
In the days when my beard was black I often first-footed.  I think Scotland will still do it but where to get the coal?


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Posted - 23/12/2011 : 10:01
Bradders if your not by your own hearth to hear midnight strike you've lost your luck before you start!
The one night everyone was going to be up till the wee hours drinking was the one night the pubs cleared like a shot at eleven!

Edited by - belle on 23/12/2011 10:02:19 AM


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Stanley
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Posted - 28/12/2011 : 07:17
I shan't be by the hearth Belle, I'll be in bed. Funny thing is that my main memory of New Year's Eve seventy years ago during the war was that my mother used to get me out of bed to listen to all the locomotive whistles and mill syrens sounding at midnight. Quite surprising really, remember that the church bells were silenced for the duration as they were supposed to herald invasion. I think the only time this was broken was when we got news of El Allamein.


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Posted - 29/12/2011 : 09:46
I've just remembered that when I was at school there was a lad with the surname Mason and he had the nickname `Scratch'. I wonder if that derives from the scratch marks that masons put on stones to identify their work?


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Posted - 29/12/2011 : 09:50
Sounds feasible, many by-names came from occupational sources.


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Posted - 29/12/2011 : 10:10
Why do clouds 'scud' across the sky?


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Posted - 29/12/2011 : 14:55


quote:
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Why do clouds 'scud' across the sky?

Because they have nowhere else to do it.


Every silver lining has a cloud.


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Whyperion
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Posted - 29/12/2011 : 21:03
A scud was a type of sailing vessel , I think it was quite fast , skimming over the water almost despite carrying a fair payload. The Flying Scud is a not uncommon pub name


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Posted - 29/12/2011 : 23:33
Not sure where you got that info Wipers, but although scud refers to how a boat sails,its Scots for slide, I've not heard of it being a type of boat..nor ever seen a pub named the flying scud!?


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Posted - 30/12/2011 : 01:44
http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs/Shoreditch/FlyingScud.shtml

Or Oops a mixture of a bit of guesswork that went slightly wrong, as surprised to find only one pub with the name , although in London slightly off the main docklands area ( although canal linking to the Grand Union basin runs roughly behind the pub en route to Islington and Kings Cross etc. )

 From http://wikimapia.org/9542137/The-Flying-Scud-Public-House

The Flying Scud Public House
137 Hackney Road. London E2

Closed in July 1994 after a long but steady decline in business. It was "taken over" by a group of undesirables who hosted parties there where drugs and other savouries were on offer. Was finally boarded up after a police raid later the same year.

A sort of protest message has been painted on the front of pub saying "This is not a local" whether this is in protest at its closure or just warning people away is unclear.


 

The pubs name comes from a ship of the same name. The ship was a clipper (like the Cutty Sark) that sailed between Liverpool and New York as well between London and India.

Full story here:
www.fastq.com/~cstover/Scud.html

 [ but what came first , the ships name or the name of the movement of clouds ? to Scud = to Skid ?  ] , and No I did not frequent the pub before or after closure but Hackney Road is one of the areas I am fairly familiar with from around 1989 to mid 2009.

 

Meanwhile in 1901 the name is used for a horse in a play , the racehorse so being was named in 1870, 20 years after the clipper.

source : http://haggerstonlabour.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__ZHpaNKBKKw/SeSwAmfzE1I/AAAAAAAABvc/2A_h0aoUUM8/s1600-h/flying+scud.jpg


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Posted - 30/12/2011 : 04:10
I went digging. Webster and Collins poit to either Middle Low German 'Schudden' or ON 'skudden', both meaning to thrust or shake. So it might come from the motion of a vessel being driven before a strong wind. Belle, They both mention Scots 'Scud' as meaning slap.


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Posted - 30/12/2011 : 16:44
It meant slide or skid where I lived Stanley a slap was a skelp!


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Whyperion
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Posted - 30/12/2011 : 19:49
Waves could slap against a boat or ship?

What about Spud - how did that get connected with potatoe?

 


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Posted - 31/12/2011 : 05:03
Perhaps from the tool used to dig them up. OE 'spudde' = a short knife, often deliberately left blunt.

Why do we 'cope' with a problem? Horse copers.....?


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Posted - 31/12/2011 : 12:06
Horse copers always cope horses by hitting them with coping stones. A well coped horse has a very high value in some circles.


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