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Sunray10
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 16:50
I have not yet heard whether council workers in Pendle will strike on 28th March, but there seems to be a lot of anger and, also fear, as to who will lose their jobs. Everyone is waiting to hear the bad news in the days and weeks to come. I think there will be massive support for a one day strike and, or action, on that day all over the country. Though I doubt that there will be support for this from within the private sector.


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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 17:35
The origibnal post is almost 5 years old!! Nolic


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Sunray10
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 18:19
Idea My post up-dated to this year 28th March a TUC day of action.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 20:41
I wonder what a one day strike would achieve,besides losing a day's pay !!!!! I thought everyone would need to save everything they could for when the hard times actually come.



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Sunray10
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 21:48
Yes but Frank somebodys got to make a stand for whats right. Thousands of workers are going to made redundant in the next few months. If the rank and file get together then something might be achieved. So even if that means our bins wont be emptied for a week or two, we have got to put up with that and stand shoulder to shoulder.


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catgate
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 22:33


quote:
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Yes but Frank somebodys got to make a stand for whats right.

And what is "right"?


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HerbSG
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 22:57
Maybe a strike helps the council to cut costs, 1 day, 1 week, nobody gets paid council saves.  A local company here just went through a long (months) strike, signed a new contract with Chrysler, employees came back at $19 per hour, down from $26.  Better to have A job rather than NO job in hard times.  The blame game does not matter when things are bad, the energy should be expended to correct the situation today, not yesterday.  Rather than cutting jobs/hourly rates maybe work sharing where everyone gives up a day a week to right the boat might be an alternative.  Let's see if folks really want to "pull together" or simply say "not me mate, I have seniority and I want my full cheque", then they strike and lose more in the long run.


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Tizer
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 12:10
The folk in Ireland (Eire) are worse off than us in the UK, many of them have had their wages reduced and many others lost their jobs in the current recession. A friend of mine has lost her job on the local newspaper and her husband has lost his as a lorry driver. There's no chance of any other jobs at the moment and there are even people returning to their families in Ireland who left to try and find alternative work abroad and have failed because so many other countries are in recession.


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Stanley
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 08:16
Money isn't the only reason that people strike. The London Transport 7week strike in 1958 was seen by the government as a victory over the TGWU and more particularly their bogey man Frank Cousins. Years after the strike Ian Macleod, The chairman of the LTE and even Harold Macmillan admitted that the busmen had a case but they had stamped on them for political reasons. However, with hindsight, that strike was one of the biggest factors in changing the attitudes of the TUC and eventually government to how negotiations during strike action were handled. Up to then the Ministry of Labour was the final arbitrator and this obvious flaw in any rational discussion was subsequently changed. In that respect the strike was good for the trade union movement and good for the country as well because the arbitration mechanisms that grew out of it defused a lot of industrial unrest. A principle had been established that served the country well.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 09:39
Money isn't the only reason that people strike
I agree with that statement, Take the NUM they did it for Political Reasons. UNITE did it to BA because they didn't like the T & Cs which the company said were neccessary to survive.
If a Strike it not for Money it never really achieves anything. As for ACAS it should have been given a lot more clout than it has.



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HerbSG
Senior Member


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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 16:37
In my opinion labour unions and dumb management are as much to blame as the bankers and politicians for the state of the economy.  The role of unions should be directed to improving working conditions rather than higher wages,,,there should be a limit to the value in $$ of all jobs and increases should not be dictated by union leaders simply trying to prove the need for the union every 2-3 years (do the leaders lose $$ during strikes) as working conditions do not "always" need to be improved.  What kind of an example do the union leaders show by encouraging strikes when the economy is on the way underwater for the 3rd time?  Certainly governments profit by saving money, the public lose out on services. 


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frankwilk
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 18:26
Herb
Have to agree Strikes are sometimes engineered by management, but, and there is always a but.  Management normally engineer the strike after they have tried most of the negotiation routes. After all management have a Board of Directors and Share holders to satisfy, if no one is working no profit is being made.



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catgate
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 18:49


quote:
Herb wrote:
In my opinion labour unions and dumb management are as much to blame as the bankers and politicians for the state of the economy.  T

The situation as I see it is more of a merry-go-round. The union leaders, who are more aligned with the politicians rather than the workers, want to to be on the same "payscale" as the politicians and to do this they agitate the workers so that they can appear to be successful leaders when the politicians, grateful for their support, appear to give in to the workers demands.

The union members are then happy to sanction large monetary rewards for these "leaders".  But the bankers are all the time "making" ( not earning by productive means) vast amounts of money, which raise the monetary expectations (and demands) of the politicians and industrialists.

So the politicians put up taxes and create silly schemes to disguise their profligate expenses and remunerations and the industrialists put in more schemes to reduce labour costs. This means putting people out of work or reducing their wages. This then gives the union leaders the opportunty to  take the roundabout for another spin.

The problem lies with those who take out more than they put in, and they, generally, are corrupt, and use their corruption to corrupt others.


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HerbSG
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1185 Posts
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 22:36
Frank, agreed ..in business...but with councils the experience here is that they save money during strikes and let them run until the public shout really loud.


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