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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


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Bradders
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Posted - 18/03/2009 : 11:27
Tizer...I am not FOR the encouragement of "illicit drugs" , and your experience must have been very unpleasant indeed ( terrifying )....

And...

I Agree with the three points you make....

But....

The way to curb the Growth in drug use and begin to Reduce use in the long term is  surely by education , as I mentioned earlier.

Prohibition has been proved to be useless.....Fiscal solutions also affect the "innocent" as well as the "guilty"...(that will never win over minds) 

What else is there but  education and showing a better way...?  (I'm not religious ,by the way).

It works in deeply embedded conflict and against prejudice........It just takes a long time, that's all.

And because we have inherited a mess,the sooner a start is made along this path, the better .

 

 

PS   Belle , I cannot remember who took it , but there is quite a famous picture of an empty can of Special Brew, under a seat in a Social Security Waiting Room.It might have been Martin Parr (of whom I am not generally  fond)....... It begged the question "why do poor people spend what little money they have on expensive alcohol"?

And the answer was "because it works quicker".

A good piece of work, that left food for thought. 

 

 

 

 

 


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Tizer
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Posted - 18/03/2009 : 12:54
Bradders, I agree with you wholeheartedly on using education but in the meantime you have to keep some control for the sake of everyone, addicts included.

Belle, very true, it seems like anti-depressants and illict drugs have become the default rather than simply improving one's outlook on life, living within one's means etc. Many people seem to want to be victims of something or other and then be given something to help them. I think we make the mistake of bombarding everybody with unrealistic images on TV - they are living in the TV box rather than outside it in the real world. Some people obviously are having a really bad time for one reason or another and do need help. But many others are like they are because they have not yet gone back to square one and tried to put things right.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 18/03/2009 : 13:04
What are we to do about the Now ??? Education will take Years and Legislation will not come overnight. Meanwhile children are getting hooked.
I know it's Policing that is required, No that dosen't work either, Parenting now that may work  !!!!!



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Bradders
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Posted - 18/03/2009 : 15:06
"Parenting...now that may work"

Frank, may I refer you back to the wording of my original post (lines 3 and 6 principally ) and "rest my case" .

 


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Stanley
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Posted - 18/03/2009 : 16:21
I don't think the kerb analogy works. The point is that three out of the five drivers are under the influence of something. One of the reasons I gave up driving, I can't control what they do. My attitude is based on reality, prohibition hasn't and isn't working. Like it or not the market is out there. You can't pass a law to stop HIV Aids or Asian Flu and that's the sanest way to regard addiction,as a human condition. How to stop it? God knows, an aversion vaccination for all kids to make them violently sick when they touch it so they'll never start?


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Posted - 19/03/2009 : 07:26
I've been pre-occupied with the FM but have noted the helpful pronouncement from the Pope's old office, the Inquisition, which he repeated while on tour that conoms belong to the devil and are ruining the human race. He says that the only cure for HIV Aids and other STDs is to stop having sex.

 I missed the name, was it the chief scientific adviser? He says that in 20 years we face a perfect storm. Climate change leading to food and water shortage plus energy crisis. Great! I'm sure he could be right. Makes you want to crawl under a pile of stones...... Bottom line is that we're not fit to have a planet.


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Posted - 19/03/2009 : 15:33


Nothing grabs the attention faster than looking into the backyard and seeing a daughter you thought was 10,000 miles away!  Margaret's stepfather has died and so she's over for the funeral but is going to be around for a fortnight. Yippee!!!!


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Bradders
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Posted - 19/03/2009 : 20:50
Kids , eh !

It's handy that you were in........

Or even worse , you might have been on your way to give HER a surprise visit .

Sound's like you're gong to have fun though ...smashing !!

 

 PS  My Grandpa always used to make me laugh, when we visited ......(after we'd moved South)

He'd have a twinkle in his eye , and say....."Eeeee... It's grand te see thi ,.......... when're ye gooin wom ?!!!"

 


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/03/2009 : 08:16
Enjoy the company Stanley.



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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/03/2009 : 08:18
The NHS was supposed to be "Safe in Labours Hands"  pity the patients aren't safe as well.



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Stanley
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Posted - 20/03/2009 : 08:28
I take it you are referring to Mel's local hospital Frank. I suppose that now the CE has gone it will all be OK....  Saw the news yesterday about the mother and dughter in the lake. I grieve for the fagt that for some reason it all got too much for her. I wonder what support she was getting....  I make no judgements, just realise how lucky I am.

Just heard a man say that the average earnings of a dentist is £100,000 per annum. Just exactly what does a dentist do that entitles him or her to that level of earnings?  Should we have two grades of dentist, the ones who are trained to do the bog standard necessary for oral health and the fancy-pants version that panders to every cosmetic whim? Mind you, I am biased ny the fact that Mr Pinder took all mine out and gave me false teeth 50 years ago and I haven't had a moments bother or regret since.  Total expense over 50 years is about £50. Nobody is making 100k a year out of me!


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Posted - 20/03/2009 : 08:30
PS I see that Heston Blumenthal is thanking everyone who helped him get through being shut-down because of an outbreak of noro-virus. You'd have thought that the most expensive restaraunt in Britain would have been checking for these things. Snail soup? Forget it.


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Posted - 20/03/2009 : 16:58
Three years since Bunsfield and the oil companies have been to the High Court and Total is ordered to pay. The bill will be about £1billion. The people whose lives were ruined have been waiting all this time and they still have to start on the fight for compensation. Having watched Janet fight the system over Harry's death for six years (not finished yet) I sympathise with the victims but would warn them not to start cheering yet. The lawyers and the big insurance companies string these matters out as long as possible to try to exhaust the litigants. It is cruel and a scandal, certainly not justice as I understand it.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 23:19
Obama should win points for the 90% tax on bonuses when the company has received bailout money.

The pope should lose points for his comments on condoms causing an increase in the spread of aids..maybe the sexual habits of priests should be on his warning list.

4 more Canadians become statistics in Afghanistan.  Has anyone read or seen reports on the habits of Afghan soldiers taking young boys as "companions" (the reports are totally disgusting)?  Still find it hard to accept that young lads are being blown away to support this life style.


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Stanley
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Posted - 22/03/2009 : 06:27
What grabbed me this morning was the backs of my thighs.....  I did some tidying up in the garden yesterday and the bending down has woken muscles that have laid dormant all the time I was writing!  Ah well, it will pass...


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