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ChristineM
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Posted -  10/05/2008  :  03:24
My grandfather's name was Thomas Henry Cowgill. He was born in Burnley  abt 1883 and died there in 1948. He had at least four siblings: William, Mary, Harriet and Ruth. He was named after his father, who died before he was born. His mother's name was Sarah born in Manchester in 1845.
This is all I know about the family. My mother didn't know her father's family very well because my grandmother looked down her nose at her in-laws. In fact Mum didn't even know her grandparent's first names. I found this out since her death.
Any info about this family would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Christine M.


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Stanley
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Posted - 10/05/2008 : 06:19
Any more info like a residence?


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Anni
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Posted - 10/05/2008 : 09:07
Can’t be certain about some of these and you will need to research further, but should give you a fair amount of clues to work on.  I suggest you get a subscription to www.ancestry.co.uk and kiss goodbye to life as you knew it Laughing The 1901 Census shows a Thomas H Cowgill born about 1884 in Burnley living at what looks like 2 Lutner Street Burnley with Sarah Cowgill     Widow    5?   Born Manchester  Ruth R. Cowgill   Daughter   20   Heald ??        Born Burnley  Thomas H. Cowgill   Son   17   Drawer Coal Miner   Born Burnley  Ernest Cowgill      Son   11      Born Burnley

The 1891 Census shows

20 Rushworth Street Burnley Lancashire

Sarah Cowgill               Widow             4?        Housewife        Manchester

Mary E. Cowgill           Daughter          18        Heald Knitter    Burnley

William H. Cowgill        Son                  16        Mechanic         Burnley

Harriett E. Cowgill        Daughter          12        Scholar Burnley

Ruth R. Cowgill            Daugher           10        Scholar Burnley

Thomas H. Cowgill       Son                  7         Scholar Burnley

Ernest Cowgill  Son                  2         Scholar Burnley

 

The 1881 Census shows the following

10 Paradise Street Burnley Lancashire

Thomas H. Cowgill                   Head                36        Gas Works Labourer    Burnley

Sarah Cowgill                           Wife                 36                                            Manchester

William B/H Cowgill                 Son                  6         Scholar             Burnley

Mary E. Cowgill                       Dau                  9         Scholar             Burnley

Harriett E. Cowgill                    Dau                  2         Scholar             Burnley

Ruth R. Cowgill                        Dau                  2mos   Scholar             Burnley

(The enumerator has written that Ruth and Harriett are scholars!)

 

The 1871 Census shows the following:

7 Back Launden Bank Burnley Lancashire

Boarding with Isabella Laycock

Thomas Cowgill            Boarder                        28        Weaver/Cotton Burnley

 

Trying to match him further back is a bit more difficult without certificates.  Suggest you try and find his birth (no match on FreeBMD, but that only means it might not have been transcribed yet).

 

Thomas Cowgill married Sarah Wood in March 1872 in Burnley 8e, 356

 

These are pretty good possibilities for Sarah

The 1851 Census shows

8 Bank Street, Whalley Burnley

Joshua Rawlinson                     Head    66        Handloom Weaver (Cotton)                 Burnley

Sarah Rawlinson                       Wife     64                                            Burnley

Elizabeth Rawlinson                  Dau      36        Spinner (Cotton)           Burnley

Ann Wood                               G’dau   10        Heald Knitter                Manchester

Sarah Wood                             G’dau   7         Scholar             Manchester

Hannah Taylor              Visitor  39        Power Loom Weaver   Padiham

 

The 1861 Census shows the following:

1 Maltkiln Street Burnley

Elizabeth Rawlinson                  Head    47        Grocer                         Burnley

Sarah Ann Howell                    Sister    35        Grocer                         Burnley

Richard Edward Howell            Nephew           4          Scholar Burnley

Sarah Wood                             Niece   17       Power loom cotton weaver       Manchester

 

The 1871 Census shows the following:

35 Parker Lane, Burnley

Boarding with Hannah Coup (??)

Sarah Wood                             Boarder            28        Cotton Weaver Manchester

 

 


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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 10/05/2008 : 10:19
Ah Anni, that's why you've been quiet recently. Have you tried out the new search on there, what do you think. I like the look of the format but I'm not sure that it is any better.

Edited by - Julie in Norfolk on 10/05/2008 10:23:02 AM


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ChristineM
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Posted - 12/05/2008 : 17:31
Hi Anni,
Thanks for the valuable info.
The little I know about Sarah is that she might have been born out of wedlock. This could be one of the reasons why she was living with her grandparents. After Thomas died she worked at Townley Hall as a cleaner. She died some time during WWI at Primrose Bank. Goodness knows where she got Ernest from! However, I'm sure life was difficult for a widow with dependent children in the 19th century. Anything could have happened. In family history there are always surprises. The only one of my grandfather's siblings that  I can ever recall my mother ever mentioning was Harriet. I wish Mum was still here so I could share some of this information with her. Perhaps it might have jogged her memory a little. 
Thanks again.
Christine


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Anni
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Posted - 14/05/2008 : 18:09

Christine,

The scourge of most of us – not getting interested until the people who could have maybe answered some of the questions have departed this mortal earth!

 I’m not convinced about the out of wedlock bit unless of course both girls were born out of wedlock – there is a marriage listed on www.freebmd.org.uk for Sep 1837 20, 458

 Another possibility is that their father died, mother remarried and – as often happened then – the children from the first marriage didn’t appear to be “wanted” in the second marriage.

 A James Wood may have married an Alice Rawlinson (you would have to get the certificate to be certain).  I have tried to verify it through the 1841 census but can’t find a match (rather common names in Manchester and they may have moved).

 Good luck.


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ChristineM
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Posted - 16/05/2008 : 16:43
Yes, you're right. When I thought about it, I realized that children born out of wedlock had their mother's maiden names forever, even if the parents were married later. Besides, there were two of them.
Thanks for more info.
Christine


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jqw
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Posted - 14/03/2009 : 15:56
The Wm Hy Cowgill in tmy post was'nt a Burnley Cowgill - I'll move the original post to a new topic.

Edited by - jqw on 16/03/2009 17:52:05


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marilyn
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Posted - 08/04/2009 : 07:37
Anni...Cathy (who is without internet at present has asked me to say the following...
Mary Whittaker (I suppose she is one of our rellies)married William Cowgil, though the marriage lasted only 6 months as he died aged 21 years. (1879 - 1900)
The marriage produced no children.
Mary's second marriage was to William Thoms Moss (our greatgrandfather. Oh....so silly old me has just cottoned on that makes Mary Whittaker our Greatgrandmother! Well...I keep telling folk I am hopeless at family tree stuff . )
They were married at Mary-le-gyll (1901)had William Edgar Moss (our grandfather).
He was born in 1903 and died 1957.


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Debbt
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 01:59
Hi,

 

I'm new to this so I hope you will bear with me.  I know these posts are quite old but I am interested in this line of the Cowgill family.  Thomas Henry Cowgill was the sibling of my great grandmother, Harriet Ellen Cowgill who married Frank Manley and went on to have four daughters including my grandmother Sarah Ellen who emigrated to Australia in 1949 with Edgar Harrison, my grandfather.

I am wondering if anyone has had success tracing Sarah Wood.  I have her marriage certificate (to Thomas Cowgill senior) which identifies her father as Edward but after that I am really stuck despite searching hard.

 

I also found that Howell  on the 1861 census is registered as Nowell elsewhere.

The Rawlinsons are a  census puzzle too but as Harriet's sister Ruth was 'Ruth Rawlinson Cowgill' the connection seems valid. 

Has anyone got any other information,

 

Thanks in advance,

Debbie 

 


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ChristineM
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Posted - 18/11/2011 : 16:54
Hi Debbie,
I saw your post over a month ago but was unable to reply sooner. We in Canada are the only descendents of Tom and Florrie Cowgill, my grandparents. My mother, Dorothy Cowgill, must have been your grandmother's cousin. I do remember her mentioning "Auntie Harriet" at least once. She was the only one of my grandfather's siblings I ever heard her mention. As far as I can recall she never talked about your grandmother. Your family left England in 1949. We came to Canada in 1956. One other person Mum mentioned was "Auntie Ida" Do you know who that was? I figure she might have been Ernest Cowgill's wife.
It seems that the Cowgills did not live long lives. My grandfather was surprised to live to be 65. I have tracked down Mary Elizabeth and William in Burnley Cemetery. One passed away at the age of 55. The other at 52.
By the way, thank you for that tip about Howells being Nowell. I have since found the burial record of Richard Nowell in Burnley Cemetery.
The Rawlinsons are not too much of a mystery to me. Sarah's mother must have been a sister to Elizabeth.
Anyway thanks for your information. You must be a third cousin to my kids.
Christine


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Sunray10
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Posted - 19/11/2011 : 17:17
Cowgill's in Nelson and Colne, too. I have a friend whose surname is Cowgill.


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Debbt
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Posted - 22/11/2011 : 03:57
Hi Christine,

Thanks for the reply. The world just keeps getting smaller.  If you and mum share  great grandparents (Thomas and Sarah) I guess you are second cousins and I am your second cousin once removed and, as you say, your children are my third cousins.

  I have a photo of your grandparents with my mother, their great  niece,  Anne  (age 2sh in about 1940)!

I worked out who they were from posts on this site.  No one knew who Tom and Florrie were (it just  says Uncle Tom and Aunt Florrie on the back of the photo).   I'm not sure where it  was taken.  Mum was born in Lincolnshire (Sleaforth?) as Grandad worked at Cranwell Air Base but they oriiginally came from the Barnoldswick/Nelson areas.

Mum always said that there was a Canada connection but I thought this might have been an earlier emmigration on my grandfather (Harrison's) side).

I don't know of an Ida but will check with mum and let you know.  Not sure about who Ernest married but will add it to my pile of to look up.

The thing which confuses me most about the Rawlinsons is the lack of census information for 1841.  I searched for a Rawlinson sister who married an Edward Wood but the date is cutting it fine with the start of official records.   I'm also struggling to find information about Sarah's grandparents, Joshua and Sarah where birth dates and places match.  I can follow Elizabeth through the Census docs after 1851 but can't identify her on the 1841 census. IGI has a number of records of children born to a Joshua and Sally/Sarah around 1810/20s including a Ruth.   Joshua. may have died in about 1859 aged 75sh but I'm not sure (this would explain his absence of the later census docs. but still leaves me with the earlier gap).  Maybe its a spelling thing.  

Glad I could help you with the Nowell/Howell thing.   It's never ending, isn't it?

Debbie.

 PS.  Sunray,  may I say your armour is particularly shiny todayHuh  (thank you for the photos and legwork - much appreciated by the Aussie Manleys).

 

 

 

Edited by - Debbt on 22/11/2011 08:00:23


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Sunray10
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Posted - 22/11/2011 : 18:04
Thank you Debbie, its a pleasure.Thumbs-up


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ChristineM
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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 17:09
Hi Sunray,
All I know about Thomas  Cowgill (Snr) is that he was born in Burnley, and we got that from the 1881 census. There might have been a mistake on that. Who knows! He was  a boarder before he married Sarah.  My mother did have Colne ancestors, but they were on her mother's side. My uncle lived for decades in Nelson. I was born in Burnley, but I have lived most of my life in Canada, and I have never met anyone whose surname was Cowgill. It is apparently a Yorkshire name.

Hi Debbie,
"Aunt Florrie" was my grandmother, Florence Hughes Cowgill.Quite likely the "Canada connection" was on another side of your family. I doubt if your grandmother knew my parents had moved across the Atlantic, unless someone had mentioned it in a letter.
Yesterday I did quickly look to see how many children Joshua and Sarah Rawlinson had. Quite a few! I'm assuming that Sarah's maiden name was  Sally Wood. Maybe Edward Wood was a distant relative  I've occasionally wondered if Sarah Ann Nowell was Sarah Cowgill's mother. Perhaps the name Nowell was from a second marriage.
Anyway, it's nice to hear from the Aussie side of the family. I've never been to Melbourne, but I was an LDS missionary in Queensland and NSW in the late 60s. My husband and I spent a week in Perth only a few years ago. Australia is a wonderful country.
Christine


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Debbt
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Posted - 25/11/2011 : 06:26
Hi Christine,

I had just finished doing some work and was about to turn off the computer when I saw you message.

re: the Wood connection there are a number of possibilities including that the Rawlinson marriage was a second one for Sarah and that Edward Wood is her son from an earlier marriage.   This might explain the missing 1841 census which just defeats me.

 Sarah Ann Nowell (nee Rawlinson) apparently married John in about 1850 so after the birth of Sarah and Ann Wood (if the 51 census is right) They did have a child called Sarah Ann but she was born in 1851 and died aged 2.  Their other child was Richard Edward Nowell born 1857. John had a sister called Duella!

 My great uncle on the Harrison side remained in Nelson after my grandparent's left England and there was certainly a steady flow of letters from him and also other friends.   Nana  also had a sister Laura who came to Australia and died within 12 months but again, I think that was before you went to Canada.

I have never been to Canada although my husband spends quite a lot of time there as he is a partner in a business which has a (very small) office in Toronto.   

 re:  Cowgill:  Did you know that Thomas's father was also a Thomas and he had been a Manager at one of the cotton mills (according to Sarah and Thomas's wedding cert?  He was dead prior to January 1872.


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