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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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frankwilk
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Posted - 27/11/2010 : 17:22
Bet it's not in the Middle Classes . Looks like we need some education of the Benefit Culture classes, or Immigrants. TB is rife amongst the Eastern Europeans so we need to get to grips with this problem. By testing or whatever I don't mind which as long as we prevent the suffering to the children.



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Bradders
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Posted - 27/11/2010 : 18:35
Mmmmm......21,218  people did NOT vote in the Pendle costituency at all  (out of a total of 66,422....very nearly 1/3rd).....given those figures, and they are accurate , I would call Stephenson's victory " fairly hollow" . To win by something less than 4000 is certainly NOT   Magnificent . Then look  at what Gordon  Prentice was up against.....

A disaffected electorate (not of his own making ), a campaign from the Tories without budget constraints, a pair of  fascists , and a strongish Lib-Dem candidate.

No Frank  , you were  being Glib !...(and Mischievous)...and you know it .......



PS  " TB is rife amongst Eastern Europeans".....chapter and verse please Frank.


Or is this just another of your  dodgy opinions ?

 

Edited by - Bradders on 27/11/2010 6:49:19 PM


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HerbSG
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Posted - 28/11/2010 : 04:30
BBC reports TB up , 2009 cases in UK 9,000, half of all cases in London.

2/3 of cases in people born outside the UK, mostly from Africa and the Indian sub continent.

Scary thing is that some strains do not react to traditional remedies.


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Stanley
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Posted - 28/11/2010 : 05:35
"As long as you support my position said Stanley"  Never said it Frank.

Frank. " Bet it's not in the Middle Classes" Sorry but you're wrong again. The striking thing about the resurgence of the old diseases like ricketts, measles, rubella etc is that they are present right across the population and are growing. The causes seem to be rejection of immunisation by many people who can't accept the low level of risk associated with them and an increase in malnutrition. Malnutrition doesn't mean lack of food but lack of essential elements in diet, you can be fat and have Vitamin C or iron deficiency to name just two examples. The 'Western Diseases' are largely caused by malnutrition and they are also spread across all classes. There is little doubt that my generation, raised during WW2 food rationing is a far healthier group of people.

Tuberculosis, or to be more accurate AB resistant tuberculosis is a big problem and you are right on this count, thay are endemic in many parts of the world and the major route for transmission is migration. Rather than railing against migration, it would be better if we took notice of responsible scientists who say that we should test for these diseases at point of entry but with a guarantee that if found they will be treated , not used to trigger rejection of the migrant. This would be more humane and economically effective. I have noted before that migrants are often used as cheap labour in food plants and because they are casual labour are not routinely tested to see if they are carrying disease.


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Stanley
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 06:58
Report on an inspection of non-black cab insurance policies. 1200 policies checked, 93% were 'technically invalid'. This could cover a whole range of problems of course, some relatively minor but is an indication that the system of licensing needs tightening up.

Irish bond interest rate has been set. 5.7%. Now they know what it's going to cost them. Higher than Greece, they are asking why? In effect the banks have been nationalised.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 07:43
Bradders dress it up how you like.
 The Majority of People in Pendle who Cast their Vote. Cast it in Favour of Mr Stephenson. Now you can't say that is dressed up it is FACT

"A disaffected electorate (not of his own making  " Ooops was Gordon Prentice not Labour ?? an MP of the Ruling Party for the previous 13 years ?? A party that left the country with the largest deficit since the War.

I wait your response to the TB answer ? It is a growing problem across Europe just look up the figures for France, another country with a large influx of people from Eastern Europe. 

Edited by - frankwilk on 29/11/2010 07:53:32 AM



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Bruff
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 08:41
''Are you arguing against the thrust of his views or is it the word ( breeding) that offends you ? which one is it ????''

 
Neither.  I am interested (as opposed to offended), as I said, in the increasing use of the word 'breeding' to describe the having of children or the starting of a family.  Maybe I've lived too sheltered a life, but, as I also said, I recall no one of my aquaintance ever commenting that they were trying to breed (presumably to start or have a litter?).  I'm well aware that breeding is as you say, another word for 'procreate' but it's a word I have until recently normally come across with respect to animals, and not humans (I acknowledge that sometimes we comment on certain of our supposed betters being 'well-bred').  And then when you think about language, the use of terms appropriate to the animal world when applied to humans, tend to have a negative connotation - dog, bitch, bull, rat, vixen, rut - and within this, the feminine term (say, vixen - 'she's a right vixen') often has a more negative connotation than the masculine (say, fox - 'he's a wiley old fox').

 
I can't help but wonder then at why this use of the term breeding has come about, and it isn't too much then to think well I guess some people do think certain types spend their day 'rutting' and 'breeding' much like the beasts of the field or farmyard.

 
On measles, mumps etc, yes these diseases are now back at a certain prevalence and yes, some areas where this prevalence is greatest are nice, comfortable parts of Wandsworth for example where many denizens of 'nappy valley' opted out of MMR following the pseudo-science scare around this.
Richard Broughton 





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Bradders
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 12:04
No Frank, the MAJORITY of people who bothered to cast there vote , cast it AGAINST Stephenson ....He only got 39%...

I have questioned your use of the words "Magnificent " and "Rife" ....both much too strong , by my way of thinking.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 15:46
Your are still WRONG just look who is the MP for Pendle.
 I now rest my case Mr Stephenson won as is the Law of the Land Now you can't say that is incorrect. 
A Magnificent Victory against all the Odds, He managed to overturn the majority of a well liked Local MP mmmm Contradiction there !!!!



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frankwilk
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 15:47
Richard I now follow your logic on the word breeding, but I can't get uptight about it. But I do understand your objections



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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 17:02
Black cab insurance - 1200 policies checked, 93% were 'technically invalid'....this is one of those figures that always make me wonder how on Earth they seem to be previously unknown and why they haven't already been given serious attention. The proportion is so very, very large it should be obvious and it's crying out for attention.

Here's another...  68% of women who get pregnant aged 20 years or under are smokers. Just think of all those babies affected in the womb.

And another....  Of men who get heart disease before the age of 40, half of them have been taking cocaine.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 19:13
I did get asked in the US when admitted to Hospital " Do you take Recreational Drugs"  Val said he just takes a  small Asprin daily. The Nurse fell about laughing, just saying You Brits



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Bradders
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Posted - 29/11/2010 : 23:47
During my recent  "MOT"  my  new G.P. asked me if I smoked.....

 I said  "Nothing legal".......she laughed .!

She then went on to write me a little note about websites that might be of use relating to blood pressure , choleserol and diet etc...

....on a pad supplied by Pfizer promoting  Viagra !

(it's not cheap, either !)

 

 


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Stanley
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 07:26
"I wait your response to the TB answer"  Could be a good idea to read my response carefully, I agreed with you. You aren't half defensive about young Stephenson's 'Magnificent Victory against all the odds'! It's the odds that is the point, £250,000 election expenses must have cut the odds mustn't they?

I see we are going to be 'nudged' on health matters.

Did you watch Panorama on FIFA last night? Direct allegations of bribe-taking with names and evidence against FIFA board members whom Mr Cameron meets today. Double standards at work here? 

 


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frankwilk
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 07:47
"I wait your response to the TB answer

The question was for Bradders not you Stanley. I did read your response and Richard backed it all up.



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