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cloghopper
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Posted -  23/07/2011  :  10:43
SmileMy paternal grandmother Mary Rose nee Dixon had a sister (whose name I don't know) who was therefore a Great Aunt....? Anway this great aunt passed on a lot of information about the Thwaite/Dixon family to my brother,who gave me a copy. If anyone interested I could post it here. I don't have scanners/printeres etc. so would take a bit of time. Understand some may be in the Gargrave/Settle/Hellifield area.

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Posted - 23/07/2011 : 14:53
Dixon's in the pendle area, too. I know of two people called Dixon.Idea


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Posted - 24/07/2011 : 05:56
Go on Cloggy, it'll keep you off the street corners and please a lot of people!


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Posted - 26/07/2011 : 10:49
Some account of the Thwaites of Abbotside

Before the dissolution of Jervaulx Abbey in 1539, the whole of the area west of Askrigg and north of the river Yore belonged to the Abbey and was known as Abbotside, the south bank being " the King's  side".

In a rent roll of the tenants of the abbey in 1507, four of the five Sedbusk tenants were called Thwaite. At the time of the Dissolution Survey in 1539, "Simon Twayte" was at Skellgill, on a rental of 6s/8d for his house, garrden, and land. The acreage was not stated, but a comparison with with other entries suggests that it was five acres.

Simon Thwaite was still at Skellgill in 1544, and under the Subsidy Roll of that year he was taxed sixpence.

A will made in Simonstone in 1573 left to "Simon Thwat a hog." In 1614, when a survey was made of the Manor of Wensleydale (as Abbotside was then called) there were thirteen Thwaite tenants, including eight at Sedbusk out of a total of twelve tenants there. In his will made in 1630, Mathew Scarr of Burtersett left 20/- to Christopher Thwaite. In an inventory made in 1663 of the goods of Henry Metcalfe of Sedbusk, "Simond Thwat" was listed as owing £1 - 8s-0d., and in the inventory of Richard Metcalfe of Hardrow in 1667, "Simond Thwait" was a debtor for £2-0s-0d.

In 1668 "Symond Thwaite" was listed in the Hearth Tax returns as: "not liable, has made no reurn of his hearth", presumably because his income was below the taxable level. He is no doubt that Simon Thwaite who is our first traceable ancestor, although it is reasonably certain that those of an earlier date, mentioned above, were also ancestors.

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cloghopper
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Posted - 26/07/2011 : 18:27
Sod it! just tried to upload episode 2 and got a classified ad instead, and the afternoon's work pooof, into the 'cloud'.


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cloghopper
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Posted - 27/07/2011 : 13:14

Some account of the Thwaites of Abbotside (2)

 

Christopher Thwaite (the register has “Whaites”, but the spelling was always uncertain in those days; the final ‘s’ comes and goes, and quite often the name appears as Whaite or Whate or Whaites) of Helm had his eldest son baptised at Askrigg Parish Church on 4 Sept 1687 as “Simond”.

On 2 Jan 1667, George Thwaite of Sedbusk, husbandman, had sold to his brother Christopher of the same place, husbandman, for £26 a close of meadow ground at Sedbusk called the Broad Dale (incidentally it is still there), “now or late in the occupation of George”, for the remainder of a 2000 year lease originally granted by George Cole (Lord of the manor until he died in 1630). There was an annual gound rent of sixpence, payable to Sir John Lowther of Lowther, whoby then was Lord of the Manor. Most of Cole’s long leases had been granted by him in 1624.

On 29 Nov.1673, in the 25th. Year of Charles II, Christopher Thwaite of Sedbusk, yeoman, mortgaged his close for £15-0-0 to two members of the Thompson family (both were tailors in Sedbusk, and seemed to have had spare cash, they did a good deal of buying and lending). The mortgage was to subsist for 60 years, and whilst it operated they were to pay Thwaite sixpence p.a. in his dwelling house in Sedbusk on St.Martin’s day in winter.

The Thompsons agreed to surrender the land on 11 Nov 1683 if Thwaite had made regular payments to them on a specified scale and on a reducing annual basis, £2-19-4 in 1674, falling to £1-11-10 in 1683. The total repayments came to £20-13-6, so that the total interest over the ten year period was £5-3-6. If default were made on any of the due dates the land was to belong to the Thompsons absolutely.

Whilst the mortgage was still in operation however, on 22 Nov 1678 Christpher Thwaite sold the land outright to the Thompsons for £27.

The register of Askrigg Parish Church records the burial on 12 Aug 1690 of “Christopher Whaites of Simonstone, poor” implying that the family could not afford the burial fee. It would seem that after selling his Sedbusk close, he had removed to Simonstone.

Christpher Thwaites son, Simon, was married at Askrigg on 2 May 1713 (he would then be 26) to Anne Cloughton of Lamb Hill. Her father was a smallholder and factor of knitted stockings. Their house, standing high above the main road at Grange, just west of Askrigg, is now a barn, with the windows blocked in, but the field in which it stands is still called Lamb Hill. William Cloughton, Anne’s father, died in 1735 leaving a will of which I have a Xerox copy. Amongst other legacies, he left “to my daughter Anne Whate five pounds”.

His inventory total came to £25-10s-0d, as follows:

His purse and apparel £2. A cow and a why £3. Two twinters and 4 stirks £5-10-0.

One mare £1. Household goods and husbandry gear £2. Ten dozens of stockings great and small £2. Debt book owing to him £10.

He was able to read and write (not very usual at that time) and signed his will quite legibly. His son George was his sole executor. Simon Thwaite, Cloughton’s son-in-law, seems to have moved about from hamlet to hamlet within Abbotside. At various times he was at Camhouse (he had been a tenant of Bernard Smith of Camshouse in 1748), at Litherskew and at Brockell Cote. He had been at the last-named place soon after his marriage, for in 1742, in an Exchequer Court case in which he had been called as a witness, he deposed that 29 years earlier he had been a tenant in Brockell Cote at a rent of £6-7s-6d per annum. He could not write, but was consistent in making his mark with a capital O.

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Posted - 28/07/2011 : 06:11
Good stuff Cloggy.....


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Posted - 28/07/2011 : 10:03

Some account of the Thwaites of Abbotside (3)

 

He died at Sedbusk, and was buried at Askrigg Church on 8 March 1758. He left no will, nor were letters of administration taken out by the family.

The third child and second son born to Simon Thwaite and Anne Cloughton had been baptised Simon at Askrigg Parish Church on 29 Sept. 1717, when the father was at Camshouse. Young Simon was married at Askrigg (he was then living at Sedbusk) to Elizabeth Teasdale of Simonstone on 14 Nov. 1739. I have no details of his life, except for the baptisms at Askrigg of his children. His eldest son, Simon, was baptised  at Hawes Parish Church on 12 Feb 1743. The entry reads: “Simon son of  Simon Thwaite of Sedbusk”.

Some seven weeks earlier his elder brother, William, also of Sedbusk, had had a son Simon baptised at Hawes, and if that were not complication enough, there was another Simon, son of John Thwaite of Simonstone, who also married an Elizabeth. The children of two pairs of Simons and Elizabeths, therefore, were being baptised continuously from 1746 to 1760.

On 19 Nov. 1780, Simon Thwaite of Strands (an isolated farmhouse in Fossdale) was a bondsman for the administration of the goods of his youngest brother, Christopher Thwaite of Walden (where he had farmed for over 30 years) who had died instate, leaving goods worth something under £182.

Simon Thwaite of Strands, husbandman, made his short and simple will on 31 Jan 1789, “being weak in body but of sound mind and memory, praised be God for the same”. He had been at Strands at least since  1759, when Agnes, his youngest daughter, was baptised at Hardraw Parish Church. He left everything to “my beloved wife Elizabeth” for life, and if anything remained at her decease “ above what may be sufficient for her comfortable maintenance and support in her lifetime”, the whole was to be divided equally between his son and five daughters. He signed with a cross. He was buried at Hardraw on 25 May 1789, some five months after making the will, of which I have a Xerox copy. There is no inventory with the probate, but there is an endorsement that his goods were worth between £20 & £30.

His only son, Simon, was living on his father’s farm at Starnds, when on 19 April 1766, he was married at Hardraw Parish Church to ‘Rosy’ Pratt of Shaw; she had been baptised Rosamond. The end cottages at Shaw are visible from Strands farmhouse, so that the two families were near neighbours.

The first child of Simon and Rosamond was baptised Mary, six months after the marriage. The father was described as ‘Simon Thwaite, Junior’, for of course his father was still alive. Between 1768 and 1790, ten more children were born, four sons and six daughters. Simon Thwaite was at Shaw when, on 12 Oct 1777, his son Richard, my great-grandfather, was baptised at Hardraw. He was then the youngest child.

Simon Thwaite had retired to Hardraw (actually to the house now called Scar End, but then known as Nettlegarth House, west of the beck) when he made his will on 28 Dec 1821, leaving his household goods and furniture to his wife, and his house and land to her for life, then to his sons John and Richard equally. The two sons were also left his husbandry gear, cattle, and the rest of of his personal estate, with the obligation to pay various cash legacies (including £40 to Richard), and the interest on the remainder to Rosamond for life, then to John and Richard equally. Apparently Richard had lent William Watson, the husband of his sister Ann, various sums of money which he was to deduct from Ann’s legacy unless Watson paid up.

The will was signed with a cross, although there is no doubt that Simon could write, for he had signed a petition of the parishioners of Hardraw to the Bishop. Perhaps he was to ill to sign his name. He was buried at Hardraw on 8 April 1822, aged 79. The executors were his sons John and Richard. John was then farming at Mossdale Head, and Richard at Cotebottom in Bishopdale.John was the great-grandfather of John Thwaite, the Wensleydale dialect poet. Simon must have had some success as a farmer, for although his father left so little, he himself left about £800.

Unfortunately there is no inventory.

Rosamond Thwaite, his widow, made her will on 9 April 1825, leaving a variety of clothing and household goods to her six named daughters, all of whom were married. The sons were not mentioned, but of course they had benefited under their father’s will.

Richard Thwaite, my great-grandfather, had been married, not at Hardraw but at Aysgarth, the mother church of the parish, on 21 April 1806, when he was said to be of Thoralby, to Anne Fawcett, spinster, of the same place. His eldest child, Simon, was baptised at Aysgarth on 4 Nov. 1806, when Richard and Anne were at Cotebottom, a farm part way up the north side of Bishopdale. A succession of other children was born, until Eleanor, the youngest, was baptised in 1826.

By this time the whole family seems to have severed its long-standing connection with Abbotside, although some distant connection must have remained behind, for there are still Thwaites in Sedbusk, including one called Simon. Richard eventually removed to Howesyke, a much larger farm in the valley bottom of Bishopdale, and when  his second son, John, succeeded him at Howesyke (having come from Riddings, where he was followed by my grandfather, James) Richard retired to Thoralby and died there in 1860. His wife lived for another 10 years.e of Simonstone on 14 Nov. 1739. I have no details of his life, except for the baptisms at Askrigg of his children. His eldest son, Simon, was baptised  at Hawes Parish Church on 12 Feb 1743. The entry reads: “Simon son of  Simon Thwaite of Sedbusk”.

Some seven weeks earlier his elder brother, William, also of Sedbusk, had had a son Simon baptised at Hawes, and if that were not complication enough, there was another Simon, son of John Thwaite of Simonstone, who also married an Elizabeth. The children of two pairs of Simons and Elizabeths, therefore, were being baptised continuously from 1746 to 1760.

On 19 Nov. 1780, Simon Thwaite of Strands (an isolated farmhouse in Fossdale) was a bondsman for the administration of the goods of his youngest brother, Christopher Thwaite of Walden (where he had farmed for over 30 years) who had died instate, leaving goods worth something under £182.

Simon Thwaite of Strands, husbandman, made his short and simple will on 31 Jan 1789, “being weak in body but of sound mind and memory, praised be God for the same”. He had been at Strands at least since  1759, when Agnes, his youngest daughter, was baptised at Hardraw Parish Church. He left everything to “my beloved wife Elizabeth” for life, and if anything remained at her decease “ above what may be sufficient for her comfortable maintenance and support in her lifetime”, the whole was to be divided equally between his son and five daughters. He signed with a cross. He was buried at Hardraw on 25 May 1789, some five months after making the will, of which I have a Xerox copy. There is no inventory with the probate, but there is an endorsement that his goods were worth between £20 & £30.

His only son, Simon, was living on his father’s farm at Starnds, when on 19 April 1766, he was married at Hardraw Parish Church to ‘Rosy’ Pratt of Shaw; she had been baptised Rosamond. The end cottages at Shaw are visible from Strands farmhouse, so that the two families were near neighbours.

The first child of Simon and Rosamond was baptised Mary, six months after the marriage. The father was described as ‘Simon Thwaite, Junior’, for of course his father was still alive. Between 1768 and 1790, ten more children were born, four sons and six daughters. Simon Thwaite was at Shaw when, on 12 Oct 1777, his son Richard, my great-grandfather, was baptised at Hardraw. He was then the youngest child.

Simon Thwaite had retired to Hardraw (actually to the house now called Scar End, but then known as Nettlegarth House, west of the beck) when he made his will on 28 Dec 1821, leaving his household goods and furniture to his wife, and his house and land to her for life, then to his sons John and Richard equally. The two sons were also left his husbandry gear, cattle, and the rest of of his personal estate, with the obligation to pay various cash legacies (including £40 to Richard), and the interest on the remainder to Rosamond for life, then to John and Richard equally. Apparently Richard had lent William Watson, the husband of his sister Ann, various sums of money which he was to deduct from Ann’s legacy unless Watson paid up.

The will was signed with a cross, although there is no doubt that Simon could write, for he had signed a petition of the parishioners of Hardraw to the Bishop. Perhaps he was to ill to sign his name. He was buried at Hardraw on 8 April 1822, aged 79. The executors were his sons John and Richard. John was then farming at Mossdale Head, and Richard at Cotebottom in Bishopdale.John was the great-grandfather of John Thwaite, the Wensleydale dialect poet. Simon must have had some success as a farmer, for although his father left so little, he himself left about £800.

Unfortunately there is no inventory.

Rosamond Thwaite, his widow, made her will on 9 April 1825, leaving a variety of clothing and household goods to her six named daughters, all of whom were married. The sons were not mentioned, but of course they had benefited under their father’s will.

Richard Thwaite, my great-grandfather, had been married, not at Hardraw but at Aysgarth, the mother church of the parish, on 21 April 1806, when he was said to be of Thoralby, to Anne Fawcett, spinster, of the same place. His eldest child, Simon, was baptised at Aysgarth on 4 Nov. 1806, when Richard and Anne were at Cotebottom, a farm part way up the north side of Bishopdale. A succession of other children was born, until Eleanor, the youngest, was baptised in 1826.

By this time the whole family seems to have severed its long-standing connection with Abbotside, although some distant connection must have remained behind, for there are still Thwaites in Sedbusk, including one called Simon. Richard eventually removed to Howesyke, a much larger farm in the valley bottom of Bishopdale, and when  his second son, John, succeeded him at Howesyke (having come from Riddings, where he was followed by my grandfather, James) Richard retired to Thoralby and died there in 1860. His wife lived for another 10 years.

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Posted - 29/07/2011 : 06:14
You've cracked copy and post on site then!


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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 12:59
Hi there Cloghopper,

I am researching my wifes family history, mostly Dixons from Kidstones in Bishopdale,

with a hint of Thwaite from the same area.

I have traced Matthias Dixon and his brother Richard Thwaite Dixon, to no. 3 Colne Road Kelbrook, Earby in 1949.

To be precise Matthias died at this address and Richard was the witness, all details are as on his death certificate.

Problem is 3 colne road Kelbrook is proving to be elusive - 3 colne road Earby, currently a post office and at one time a chemist, has never had a Dixon as a resident.

House numbers at Kelbrook start around 400.

As you know something of the area can you help with a piece of this puzzle.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 13:39
Funny I knew most of the people in Kelbrook around that time but I do not remember them.  There were a lot of Dixons in Foulridge. Is there a 3 Colne Road, Sough (between Earby & Kelbrook)?

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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 14:09
Colne Road Starts at the junction of Skipton Rd, Victoria Rd and New Rd in Earby and runs the entirety through Earby, Sough and Kelbrook and on towards Foulridge where it becomes Skipton Road through that village. The numbering starts at Earby and increase upwards towards Colne. Number 3 as you say is the Post Office in Earby. I worked as a service engineer around this area for 20 years and have only ever known the numbering to be as described. I visited a great number of properties on Colne Road and would think that not much will have changed with the majority of those properties since 1949.

If Moh has no knowledge that would re-inforce my view that no 3 does not exist on Colne Road in Kelbrook. The properties in Sough just follow on from the numbering in Earby. From memory in 250 - 350 range.

Stanley had the shop at Sough for some time so maybe he could confirm.

Seems very strange that this address should be given on a death certificate though.

 

Forgot to say, welcome to the site Steve

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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 14:44
Was the old road in Kelbrook known as Colne Road at one time?
I will see if I can find anything out at the History Society meeting tonight.


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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 15:40
From the top of Waterloo? Old Stone Trough Lane then Skipton Old Road at the Foulridge end. Do you mean this Wendy? Worth asking though.


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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 21:33
Hello again,

Thanks to all for your responses- welcoming and positive and what a site to browse around.

This family history thing can be quite addictive!

Thanks to various postings/records etc I have now found a Mrs Dixon who helped arrange a childrens Christmas Party in Kelbrook in 1936 - could this lady be related?

Was her first name Ada?

We have some info that has Ada Dixon married to Richard Thwaite Dixon with 2 Children,
at 3 Colne Road, Kelbrook 1911 to 1949ish - Richard was not just a farmer but a butcher as well.

When I figure out how to attach i,t I will post a copy of the death certificate I have, it may be useful to others.

Just to add something to the mix - the mining museum at Earby, has a winding wheel from Kettlewell - did the Dixon brothers have any thing to do with this?

Both were born up the road at Kidstones and both are buried in the church yard at Kettlewell.

Convenient coincidence or real History?

If any one else following a similar path I am happy to share any info I have.

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panbiker
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 23:10
I have been looking at the old maps site on the internet. The 1909/11 map of Kelbrook has all the names of the streets that we still see today.

Main Street, Vicarage Road, Waterloo Road, Dotcliffe, the short top end of the village from the junction up to Barlick which is now Colne Road was known then as Skipton Road and only ran as far as the end of Church Lane. When the new road down to Sough Bridge was built according to the 1938 Map it then becomes Colne Road over the full route from Earby to Kelbrook. I would assume that the numbering starting at the Earby end would have been expanded around that time also as new properties were developed along the route.

It certainly is a bit of a puzzle, lets see what Wendy comes up with from the Earby History Society meeting.

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