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Robindad
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Posted -  06/12/2007  :  09:40
Hello all

I have read Stanley's article 'Walking with David part 6" with great interest..... Many thanks Stan for the insight into Barnoldswick and its people.

Can folk please help me sort out the Letcliffe KINGs?

To quote' Letcliffe was a simply a farm on a hilltop'
'1772 ... sold to John King'
'1836 Joseph King left the land to his two sons William and John'

My own great great grandfather was Joseph King (1808 1890) who I believe was son of John King and Mary Greenwood.

I also believe this is the same family who were at Letcliffe... but the dates and names do not appear to fit and my Joseph being too late and is at Lane Ends Salterforth for the censuses from 1841 to 1881.


Could his father John be the son of Joseph and thus grandson of John who bought Letcliffe?

Would be most pleased to find sources to sort these Kings out.

In particular are there records that I could purchase a copy of about the Kings ownership of Letcliffe?


Much appreciate any input.


Robin McEwen King

Lanark (you can see our other interests on our website www.scottishwool.com ... one highlight of previous years has been our annual visit to Skipton Mart to sell Shetland sheep where my ancestors would have traded .. and relatives do still)





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Stanley
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 16:12
Robin, have a look at the King Index I posted this morning and do a forum search for King.  Lots of stuff out there.


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Robindad
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Posted - 08/12/2007 : 08:14
Thanks Stanley .. I'll take a look

Robin


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Robindad
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Posted - 14/12/2007 : 09:10
KING family in Letcliffe

What I have found so far ... well part of it ... .. this is my interpretation and I would appreciate comments and corrections.

Joseph KING and wife Mary may have had three sons according to Bridge Chapel Baptist records

1 John born 1790 died 1790 BUT the dates I have seen in transcriptions show the death befoer the birth!!!!

2 John born 7 Jul 1798 dies in late 1871 (Dec Q in GRO Ref Skipton Vol 9a page 26)
He married Olive (or Olivia ) SMITH 5 Jul 1819 Ghyll Church and in stays in Letcliffe. They are seen there in the 1841, 1861 and 1871 Censuses ... But are in Bradford with only (?) son Joseph (b 1819 Barnoldswick to dies 1882 in Bradford)... in 1851. This is shortly after a John KING is listed as elector in 1848 linking Bradford and Barnoldswick.


3 William born 10 Mar 1807 also stays in Barnoldswick till his death in 1874. Married Ann (a Barnoldswick girl but not found her surname) they have at least 6 children. William and Ann KING stay in Barnoldswick at Monks House ( or Fauld) through the 1851 to 1871 censuses.
From GRO index it looks like William dies in 1874 and Ann in late 1878. It looks like their eldest son John born in 1834 dies between 1851 and 1861 and thus in 1878 their younger son Joseph (born abt 1844) inherits , sells up and moves to Uplands Farm Salmsbury near Preston (134 Acres) see 1881 Census RG11/4244 Folio 65 page 1.

Please feel free to correct my conclusions... and those who have access to Ghyll parish registers may be able to confirm details.


Robin
ps I have followed these families descendants further
and have more Census refs if wanted.





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portia
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Posted - 25/03/2009 : 12:35
If you're still there Robin -
I guess you've probably worked out by now that the John who inherited from Joseph couldn't be the the father of your 2xg'grandfather Joseph.
The John who inherited was born 1798, your 2x g'grandfather was born 1808. I have a suspicion (no more than that) that they may have been cousins.
Incidentally, to confuse the issue, there's another John (b1797), who was ''your' Joseph's brother.


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Robindad
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Posted - 25/05/2011 : 15:35
Hello All

 

I'm still pegging away at the Letcliffe Kings....

 

I now have copies of the will of John King died 1803

  He is a Worsted Manufacturer of Letcliffe with  an estate  valued at £3000.... and leaves his 'household goods .... and all my  Husbandary gears & Farming Utensils unto my son William' .. and 'to my wife jane The Yearly Annuity of five pounds'  plus  'a house for her to dwell in ... in Salterforth ... now inhabited by WIlliam Proctor' ... £220 to each of three daughters Mary the wife of Ralph Geldard, Martha the wife of William Edmonson (sic no D) and Ann the wife of John Hodgon (sic no S and he is also a witness)... residue to sons John and Joseph. 

Witnesses to the will are John Rawsthorn, John Hodgon and William Smith.

 

This raises the question ... who was the widow Jane and when did John marry her?

We had thought that this was the same John King who married Mercy Greenwood in 1857 ... but Barrie King told me this was a mistake he made back in the late 1980's when he prepared a family tree which is now the prime source(?) of most of the King trees seen on the internet. I have the copy he made for Muriel Pollard (nee King) of Satlerforth.  I discussed his latest thinking with him in several phone calls and letters in the year before he died (2008).  I've unfortunately no idea what has happened to his research notes.

 I am slowly gathering my own source copies and transcripts. Slowed further by current family demands and tending our show flocks of Ryeland and Shetland sheep.

Happy to hear from anyone interested in filling in gaps.  

Robin

 

 

 

 


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wendyf
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Posted - 25/05/2011 : 16:23
Hi Robin,
You asked in your first post if there are likely to be records of deeds relating to Letcliffe. Most deeds in the West Riding between 1704 and 1970 were recorded at the Registry of Deeds in Wakefield. See this link. It is a wonderful resource, and I have found all sorts in there about our farm.


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Callunna
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Posted - 26/05/2011 : 09:48
Interesting - I'm researching Rawsthorns and see that one of them was a witness to John King's will.


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Robindad
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Posted - 26/05/2011 : 15:01
HI Calunna

  I have no further information about the Rawsthorn family.

The witness John Rawsthorn could be a Baptist and member of the Bridge Chapel .. take a look at the forum 'Bridge Baptist Chapel,Barnoldswick,register' on OGFB where Ken posteda transcript of th BC Ragister Index ... sorted by surname.

 

 

Robin

 

 


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 27/05/2011 : 06:36
Rawsthorn isn't a common name in Barlick, however I had a furtle, here's what I have:

RAWSTHORN INDEX AS OF 27/05/11

 

John Rawsthorn.Elector of Coates 1835, 1837, 1841. Elector of Salterforth, address given as Widdop, 1837, same entry for 1841 at Higher House, Widdop. [these aren't necessarily the same John]

In 'A Way of Life Gone By' p. 109. Harry Wilkinson describes Kelbrook in about 1900. He says that John Rawsthorne was the blacksmith and died in 1910.

In the 1851 census Thomas Rawsthorn is noted at Greystone House, aged 51, farmer of 80 acres with 3 labourers. 
 


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