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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


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panbiker
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Posted - 31/01/2011 : 17:12
I was also going to make a point about the inaccuracies of Frank's list. I know that the Ladbrook Grove (Paddington) Rail Crash in 1999 was nothing to do with BR as the rail system had been privatised by then. We lost a family friend in that disaster brought about by a combination of the ineptitude of Railtrack to maintain and upgrade the signaling system and the newly qualified driver of the train who was not familiar with the route and signalling system.

Edited by - panbiker on 31/01/2011 18:52:44


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frankwilk
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Posted - 31/01/2011 : 19:28
Huntsville was in the context of the Nazi almost getting a Nuclear weapon before us with Engineers who had already designed rockets to deliver a bomb. If you look back you will see Stanley's reference to the Manhattan Project.
I know I could have culled certain Rail Disasters from the list, but I expected them to be nit picked !!!
In a sense I posted them to show how Dangerous Rail is no matter in what context, and no matter who is doing maintenance be it Private or State.
If it was Aircraft the Industry would have been shut down by now.

Edited by - frankwilk on 31/01/2011 7:30:43 PM



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frankwilk
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Posted - 31/01/2011 : 19:36
What did catch my attention was Cameron saying we can't let the NHS continue as present or it will collapse !!!
Did you catch how many 85 year olds we will have in the next 10 years?? Forget new hips and knees they will soon be a thing of the past, because we haven't either the Cash or the Bed Spaces to carry them out.



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Bradders
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Posted - 31/01/2011 : 20:43
Nuclear weapon development hadn't been mentioned on here ...had it ?

(Edit ....simply to alter the tense of that remark )

Edited by - Bradders on 31/01/2011 10:22:42 PM


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Stanley
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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 06:26
Brad I brought nuclear weapons up when I said that if Germany had nuclear when I was under bombardment in WW! I wouldn't be here.

Picking a few rail crashes and saying rail travel is dangerous is too simplistic. The statistic you need is the number of accidents per passenger mile for every period.  Probably at its peak at Rainhill Trials in October 1829 when Huskisson alighted for a pee, saw the Iron Duke in a carriage, walked across and was hit by a locomotive. In terms of accidents per passenger mile pretty high risk I would have thought. happened under private ownership! Point is that this example is just as true as the list.

Wriggle how you will Frank, the basic proposition that the taxpayer didn't get back the money invested in the railways under BR when Major sold them off still stands. The sale didn't reduce government subsidies or produce private investment on a scale large enough to keep up with rising population and more people wanting to travel. It didn't hold back prices in real terms and produced no improvements in management or innovation.

Surely with all your world travel you have ridden on railways in Europe Frank? Mostly state run, all more efficient than our privatised railways. A social good worth paying for.


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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 11:23
Fair enough...I missed that , Sorry Frank..


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handlamp
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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 15:11
Frank, were you talking hips and knees, or over 85s. If the latter I'm already waiting collection by the grim reaper!!!


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Stanley
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 06:46
Don'r worry Ted, I shall be joining the over 85 club in ten years and I'll fight for your rights. There's plenty of real money in the system, problem is we have the wrong priorities. When the Crumblies get together and form a political party we shall rule the world! One thing is certain, we will have a majority!


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Stanley
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Posted - 18/03/2011 : 04:20
Listening to Malcolm Riffkind talking about the RAF being 'battle-hardened' and one of the biggets in the world after the UN resolution for more sanctions and a no-fly zone but significantly specifically ruling out 'occupation forces'.

The assumption seems to be that this means Gadafi is now powerless. Question is what will his reaction be? On past history he will go berserk. I have a bad feeling about all this, have we set a precedent? What do we do about the other insurrections in the area?

Interesting piece in PE about Gadafi's intelligence network being based on advice for UK, we trained his senior men. Also details of latest arms supplied via UK, funnily enough, crowd control munitions originally from the Ukrain, not even our manufacture.  A murky trade!


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Posted - 20/03/2011 : 11:16
Listened to a recording of a recent BBC `Money Box' programme with the excellent Paul Lewis. One of the items was about student grants, the programme has used `freedom of information' rules to find out what is the most debt that students might have to pay back. It turns out some students will have debts of £70,000 to £80,000 due to a combination of factors such as some courses are 5 years long, and attending a London university is very expensive. It's all going to be made worse because the debts will now be paid back over a longer period which means more interest will accrue. In defence the government claims that graduates get paid more - but this is a sweeping generalisation, many graduates don't get paid more than average and there are lots nowadays who can't even find jobs. Taking on debt to buy a house gives you the collateral of bricks & mortar to sell but taking on debt to obtain a degree is more risky. Not everyone who goes to university will get a degree, and of those who do, not all will get a `good' degree. Even those who do get a good degree will not all benefit from it financially - many will be no better of moneywise than if they had gone straight into work (because the universities are churning out more graduates than needed by industry and commerce, or in unnecessary subjects). There are going to be thousands of young people landed with massive debts that they can't pay off.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/03/2011 : 11:57
Good guidance and career advisors are what will be required. What else will be crucial is that the students have the past record of achievements, not just scrapping into university etc.



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Posted - 20/03/2011 : 16:46


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Tizer wrote:
Listened to a recording of a recent BBC `Money Box' programme with the excellent Paul Lewis. One of the items was about student grants, the programme has used `freedom of information' rules to find out what is the most debt that students might have to pay back. It turns out some students will have debts of £70,000 to £80,000 due to a combination of factors such as some courses are 5 years long, and attending a London university is very expensive. It's all going to be made worse because the debts will now be paid back over a longer period which means more interest will accrue. In defence the government claims that graduates get paid more - but this is a sweeping generalisation, many graduates don't get paid more than average and there are lots nowadays who can't even find jobs. Taking on debt to buy a house gives you the collateral of bricks & mortar to sell but taking on debt to obtain a degree is more risky. Not everyone who goes to university will get a degree, and of those who do, not all will get a `good' degree. Even those who do get a good degree will not all benefit from it financially - many will be no better of moneywise than if they had gone straight into work (because the universities are churning out more graduates than needed by industry and commerce, or in unnecessary subjects). There are going to be thousands of young people landed with massive debts that they can't pay off.

I think the first thing that is needed is the acceptance that "equality", as the PC buffoons promote it, is a none existant entity and it should be taught to be the myth that it is. The only purpose the myth serves is in hypnotising the electorate and doing them a great disservice.


Every silver lining has a cloud.


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Stanley
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Posted - 21/03/2011 : 05:22
I listened to the same programme Tiz and found myself asking who gains from the changes in funding. From what I can make out the answer is nobody except whoever is benefiting from the interest on the loans. Giving young people an education and a £70,000 monkey on their backs isn't a recipe for a good life. Far better to train as a plumber and start your own business.


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panbiker
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Posted - 21/03/2011 : 09:39


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Giving young people an education and a £70,000 monkey on their backs isn't a recipe for a good life. Far better to train as a plumber and start your own business.

Yes,but "Plumber"does not quite have the same ring as, say, Media Distribution Executive MIP, MOP, WIBBLE, WOBBLE (Hons) or whatever does it?


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Tizer
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Posted - 21/03/2011 : 10:33
In the future (or `going forward' as I'm supposed to say now) it will probably be the plumbers, electricians, builders and the like who'll be the ones needing a university education to accompany their practical experience due to the advances in materials and methods.


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