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Stanley
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Posted -  30/06/2004  :  05:23
BRACEWELL. WILLIAM
Headstone in Gill churchyard. William Bracewell of Whittycroft [Barrowford] died November 5 1827 aged 44 years also Mary his wife died May 31 1873 aged 81 years also Mary their infant daughter who died January 23 1815 aged 6 days also Grace their daughter who died August 7 1825 aged 9 years also Christopher their son who died July 26th 1868 aged 43 also Sarah their daughter who died December 20 1893 aged 71 years.

This is William, son of William of Coates. I tripped over his gravestone the other day at Gill. One more snippet for the index! Their is info here that isn't in the file.


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Gloria
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Posted - 09/01/2008 : 17:37
1871 still at Horton Hall, hope this is the right family.
NameAge
Abner Hartley52
Abner Hartley16
Alice Hartley20
Elizabeth Hartley26
Jane Hartley52
John Hartley22
Luke Hartley23
Mary E Hartley12



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Gloria
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Posted - 09/01/2008 : 17:39
1881 Abner Hartley at Horton Green
Abner Hartley62
Abner Hartley26
Alice Hartley30
Luke Hartley34
Mary Ellen Hartley23



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Stanley
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Posted - 09/01/2008 : 18:00
Gloria, thanks for that.  Looks as though this is the right family and abner got transcribed to Abraham somewhere along the line.  The other names look right as well.  I'm going to have to print this lot out, do some studying and put a footnote on my Bracewell research.  I think you are going to convince me......


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Gloria
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Posted - 09/01/2008 : 19:06
Anything else Stanley? just ask. I could TRY and e-mail you the copies of the census if you want?

Edited by - Gloria on 09/01/2008 7:18:39 PM


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Stanley
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 08:32
Gloria, I know you will always help me if I ask, you are a very kind woman.  However, I also know you have a lot of interests and as I am not going to do anything about this at the moment I'll wait until I have some specific request.  Mind you....  if you tripped over a marriage record..........


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George
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 19:25
I've just uploaded some photos and a cutting relating to 'Grandma' Elizabeth Bracewell. Having now got my head round some of the old photos and notes passed down I'm sure she was a Hartley. I have a note on the back of a photo listing her brothers and sisters as Luke Hartley, Abner ( Abraham presumably) Hartley, Alice Hartley and Nellie Hartley, apparantly all of Long Preston and all didn't marry.
Her eldest son, Canon William Bracewell married Hannah Forrest, apparantly sister of Sir William Forrest. That must be where the name Forrest came from. Also their 3 children were all given the middle name of Forrest just to confuse even more.
Horton Hall as I understand it, was the home of Ellen Metcalfe, who married Billycock Bracewell , Elizabeth Bracewells mother in law. But why would members of her Hartley family be in Horton Hall at the time of the 1861 census. She would have been 17 and presumably at home wherever that was?
I would like to send for that marriage certificate, How do I do that?


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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:16
The 1881 lot at Horton Green in 1881 look spot on. I guess Mary Ellen became 'Nellie'. Is Horton Green a village or a Building. Wiliam Metcalf Bracewell could have met Elizabeth around his mothers village of Horton and her house Horton Hall.


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Stanley
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Posted - 11/01/2008 : 07:21
Horton Green is the village green in the middle of Horton in Craven.  In those days, the only place in Horton where there were non-farm related buildings.  Must have a look at the pics......


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Posted - 11/01/2008 : 07:32
George, some of the pics haven't loaded successfully.  Can you please send me the files, as high res as possible, for my archive and for the site, I'll repost them.  Email below.  I haven't looked into the subject in depth yet but it's easy to see where the forrest name has crept in.  It's been shoved back a generation by a transcription mistake at some time.  I'm totally convinced on Hartley now....

Love the poic of Elizabeth.  There is good evidence for her standing up to Billycock and baking the parnership.  I fancy I can see determination in her face.


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Gloria
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Posted - 11/01/2008 : 14:04
To order a marriage cert go to   http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
and follow the instructions, you will need to log in, which is easy enough.
All the info they will want is in the detail I gave you on the other page. It costs £7 and is quite simple and safe to pay for by credit card.


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George
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Posted - 12/01/2008 : 13:42
I've applied for the certificate so we'll see. Thanks for all the help.
George


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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 19:32
I have the certificate now and it looks right. Marriage in Blackburn between William Metcalf Bracewell, age 32 and Elizabeth Hartley,age 26, 16th December 1871. Although the 1871 census has Elizabeth still at Horton Hall, the certificate says both residing at Fox Terrace. I recognise this address as on Preston New Road, Blackburn because it crops up later in our family. My mum, daughter of Ellen Bracewell, granddaughter of William Metcalf Bracewell, was born at 148 Preston New Road which is on the row called Fox Terrace. Also my aunty Edith Ellen Greaves, daughter of Edith Metcalf Bracewell, another granddaughter of William Metcalf Bracewell, lived at 151 Preston New Road, opposite Fox Terrace. Also 124 and 96 Preston New Road were occupied by Ellen Bracewells husband, William Edward Smith, tobacconist. I don't pretend to understand why this road features so much, maybe somebody was buying here for investment.
Elizabeths father is shown as Abner Hartley which fits the census and one witness is Thomas Hartley, on the census as a younger brother.
Father of William Metcalf Bracewell is listed as William Bracewell, Cotton Spinner. I can't imagine big business man and despotic Billycock would have described himself as Cotton Spinner?
I'll scan the certificate and upload it into Bracewell events.
Looks like you'll have to amend that PAF now Stanley!
Would William Metcalfe Bracewell have had business interests in Blackburn in 1871?


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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 06:24
George, quite usual for a man like Bracewell to be described as a spinner or spinner and manufacturer which denoted he had weaving interests as well.  Probably truncated on the certificate for reasons of space.  I have no knowledge of any business interests in Blackburn but it could be possible.  In 1871 he was heavily involved with his brother Christopher and his father in running the Barlick mills.


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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 09:52
Word from Carey Bracewell to the site:

Sender name: Carey Bracewell
Email: careybracewell@peoplepc.com
IP: 70.113.100.169

LATEST BRACEWELL DNA FINDINGS

The 'Braswell' DNA Project at Family Tree DNA in Houston, Texas, has discovered a genetic marker value at DYS413a, which is totally unique to the English Bracewell family.

That unusual marker value is found in such widely- scattered cousins as
Gary Bracewell in Iowa, a descendant of a Colne family who immigrated to America in 1850 (with Hartley family connections), two 'Irish Americans' whose Bracewell ancestors were evidently transported to Ireland in Elizabethan times, and myself and more than forty other American Bracewells who descend from the Rev. Robert Bracewell (1611-1668) of London who came with other Royalists to the Virginia colony by 1650.

For more information about our testing program, please go to http://carey-dna.com.

I would be very pleased to hear from any of my English cousins. Given our identical paternal ancestry, I am of the opinion that only a single male line of Bracewells survived the Black Death and other catastrophic events in your part of the West Riding.
 


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portia
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 10:17
I'm throwing this one in here in case it's of any interest to Bracewell researchers.  I came across it whilst looking for Kings (surname, not title!) in the Gill Church records.

Marriage 10/4/1798 between
Joseph King of the Parish of Barnoldswick and
Mary Bracewell of the same place
Witnesses: Robert Barritt and William King


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