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Canberra Girl
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Posted -  05/01/2009  :  09:58
I am researching the Broughton family of Thornton in Craven and have a lot of unanswered questions!  

Thomas Broughton was born on 8 June 1800 to Richard Broughton and Margaret Slater and married Nancy Pickles on 8 February 1827.  They had 8 children - Christiana, Betty, Richard, William, Roger, Thomas Pickles, Henry and Margaret.  The line I am researching is from Richard who married Ellen Hartley in 1855 in Great Marsden, Lancashire.  

I would like to find out more about Nancy Pickles and Ellen Hartley if possible.  Ellen's father was Robert Hartley but that is as much as I know.  

Also, Roger Broughton was an inmate at Wormwood in the 1881 census.  How do I find out why he was there and for how long?  

I would love to hear from anyone who may be able to help me out or point me in the right direction for further information!

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Vikki in Canberra (where its still very hot at 9pm!!!!)

 


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wendyf
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Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:54
Vikki, have a look through the topic called " The Broughton Family - My Barlick Links". There is something in there about Roger Broughton. I found an item in an 1877 newspaper about him embezzling from his employer.

Wendy


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Canberra Girl
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 07:39
Thanks Wendy - that's one of my many questions answered at least!!!


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Gloria
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 09:06
Could this be Ellen in 1841. I cannot read the address other than Great Marsden. They were all born in the county except mother Ellen.
Robert Hartley50
Ellen Hartley45
Sarah Hartley20
John Hartley20
Thomas Hartley15
Robert Hartley15
Ellen Hartley12



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Nigel Broughton
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Posted - 09/01/2009 : 21:44
Hello Vikki,

Always nice to hear from someone researching the Broughton family around Barnoldswick, particularly a fellow Australian.

The children of Thomas Broughton and Nancy Pickles were christened at Thornton from Christiana to Thomas Pickles. I assume you have all the dates.  However I don't have any details about Henry and Margaret, the last two.  Do you know where they were born? 

Presumably Thomas and Nancy moved out of the area after Thomas Pickles Broughton was born 3/5/1840.  I have christenings for him at Barnoldswick and Thornton on the same day, so I'm a bit concerned about my facts.
 

I have Richard Broughton marrying Peggy Slater at Thornton 30/1/1800. Then Thomas christened 27/7/1800, Mary 2/10/1803, Elizabeth 10/2/1805, Richard 17/9/1809: all at Thornton.  The Thornton parish records at this stage included the mother’s maiden name and for all these children is recorded as Margaret Slater.
 

There is some difficulty in deciding which Richard Broughton this is; who has moved into the Thornton area. Is it Richard Broughton christened 17/5/1767 at Barnoldswick parents Richard and Ann from Barnoldswick, he a mason.  Or Richard Broughton christened 31/12/1769 at Skipton parents Richard and Elizabeth Swire.  Or Richard Broughton christened 26/8/1771 at Barnoldswick parents Roger and Grace he a mason from Dyehouse?  
 

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
 


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wendyf
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Posted - 09/01/2009 : 22:00
One of the witnesses at Thomas & Nancy's marriage was a John Swire.

Wendy


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Nigel Broughton
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Posted - 09/01/2009 : 23:50
Well, That's a good link. 

Swire is an unusual name.  Richard Broughton and Elizabeth Swire married in Skipton and had children christened at Skipton, including Richard Broughton (1769) and Swire Broughton (1789)

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Stanley
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Posted - 10/01/2009 : 07:12
I knew a Clifford Swire, farmer at Black Lane Ends in the 1950s. A reight character and I think from Colne originally. He only put his teeth in on high days and holidays.

Here's a bit from a memoir of Dukinfield in 1837. '!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Verdana; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:536871559 0 0 0 415 0;} @font-face {font-family:Georgia; panose-1:2 4 5 2 5 4 5 2 3 3; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:roman; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:647 0 0 0 159 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Georgia; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.text, li.text, div.text {mso-style-name:text; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; line-height:10.8pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:7.0pt; font-family:Verdana; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} -->

To the best of my judgement the Johnson Brook Pit is situated on that triangular piece of ground facing the front of the Dukinfield Arms Inn, not many feet from the kerbs and not far from the line of that side of the inn that is in Birch-lane. The engine house stood on what is now the Cheetham Hill-road. The miners were paid every two weeks. They did not work on pay Mondays, many times have I known them to play on pay Tuesdays too. Sometimes on pay Tuesday mornings the miners would sit in the pit cabin smoking and talking, the wagoners would be running about the pit yard, then they would get together and agree to play at hare and hounds, then they would run away and the hounds followed, but both hare and hounds kept running further from the pit, which they did not reach till the morning after.

The miners knew how it would be, and went home. At the time when the pit was at work the highway from Dukinfield to Newton and Hyde ran via the Cotton Tree Inn and the Old Dow. I was working at the Johnson Brook Pit when Her Majesty the Queen was crowned, and I worked there till the pit was finished, which was, I believe, early in the year 1839. The owners of the colliery were Messrs Samuel SWIRE and Henry LEES. The underlooker was George MILLER.'

   


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Posted - 10/01/2009 : 07:13
I don't know what happened there......  I'll leave well alone.


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Cathy
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Posted - 10/01/2009 : 07:58
Gosh you have been around for a while, haven't you Stanley ... no wonder you know much    Wink 


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Posted - 10/01/2009 : 13:20
As I said to Naploeon before the Battle of Waterloo, "Boney, you're going to have to get something done about those haemorrhoids"


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moh
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 14:21
Roger Broughton was married to Betty Birtwistle daughter of Joseph & Mary Birtwistle, and sister of Peter Birtwistle, the Colne benefactor. They had 3 children, Henry, Annie and Eleanor.
He was imprisoned for stealing woollen weft, bobbins and skips valued between #£500 & £600.  He was sentenced to 5 yrs. penal servitude.
In 1851 he lived in Gt. Marsden with his parents Thomas & Nancy and his siblings.
In 1871 he lived Lenches, Colne with his wife and children, he was a cotton weaver.
In 1891 he lived Langroyd Road, Colne with Betty, Annie & Eleanor.
My interest  is the Birtwistles.

Edited by - moh on 12/01/2009 2:27:55 PM


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Nigel Broughton
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 02:11
Moh, that's good information!  My interest is the Broughtons. 

Have you got a copy of 1851 census?  Were Henry and Margaret born in Gt Marsden?

And does the family appear in the 1861 census?

Interesting that Roger called his first born after his younger brother.  I wonder if his brother, Henry, died young?  Then I wonder what happened to Roger's son, Henry?

This branch of the Broughton family appears to originate from Skipton, after Richard Broughton married Elizabeth Swire and had several children including Richard who married Peggy Slater.  But I can't find the marriage of Richard to ELizabeth Swire, nor can I link that Richard Broughton onto the Broughtons of Barnoldswick.

Thanks for your help, Moh.

Nigel Broughton


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wendyf
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 08:07
Nigel I've just been looking at the Thornton in Craven burial records.
There is a Christiana Broughton of Thornton aged 3, buried on 3/2/1832.
Margaret Broughton of Thornton aged 1, buried on 31/05/1842.
There is also an infant Henry of Thornton buried 21/06/1855, but if the family were in Gt Marsden by then that doesnt fit.
Henry Broughton of Colne aged 34 buried 20/06/1877.
It looks like a number of wandering Broughtons were brought back to Thornton for burial!  Let me know if you want any more looked up.


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Nigel Broughton
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 11:57
Thanks, Wendy.  Are these online?

Christiana fits perfectly. (Unusual name for the Broughtons; don't know where that came from - I'll have to have a look at the Pickles family for that one)

Hopefully Vikki (Canberra girl) can give us some more details about Henry and Margaret to put the pieces together. 
In the burial records are there any more details, like "son of ....."

Can anyone help with census details for Colne in 1871 for Henry Broughton?

Thanks alot for your help.

Nigel


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Gloria
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 12:56
Is this him? born Earby
NameAge
Henry Broughton28
Rachael Broughton30
Thomas Broughton73
William Broughton36
Robert Broughton14
William Broughton7
Richard Broughton5
Nancy Broughton11 months
Let me know if not/or if you want some more.


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