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Stanley
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Posted -  28/04/2011  :  07:37
Political comment is a high risk activity on the site these days so I thought I'd try again to give those who are interested in politics a safe haven!


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Stanley
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 05:21
Heads in the sand time in Downing Street apart from an article in the Sunday papers by Cameron reterating his broken society mantra. Expect word today on how they triumphed in Libya. Cost and aftermath will not be addressed.

Meanwhile, a Tory commentator expressed regret that Ossie only makes comments on vaguely optimistic financial news and not the bad stuff.  Not a lot he can say without exposing his position.

The one thing that is now clear about the coalition is that there is an absence of original thinking or even rationality. Old policies are taken out and dusted down but there is no evidence of rational thought and action based on the evidence. Milliband does right to keep quiet, they don't need to attack, the coalition is doing a splendid demolition job on itself. Only problem is that we are paying for it.


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Tardis
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 10:44


quote:
Stanley wrote:
 everything is OK?


That isn't what I said


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Tardis
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 10:54
I think the Coalition may be coping with the sand storm blocking vision, rather than burying their heads in it. I wish I could share your charitable interpretation of the Millibland performance.

The "good news" from Libya should be a reaction on the oil markets, dropping the prices. If the other bits of the middle east can settle then it too would have a beneficial effect on our energy prices.

The "bad" news comes out of the Suez Canal where ships passing through is down by 10%. That may be a reduction in imports (Hurrah for balance of payments, but Boo for reduced consumption), or the prescence of the pirates around Somalia


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Stanley
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Posted - 23/08/2011 : 04:18
Michael, read the whole sentence. It was a rhetorical question not a statement of what you said.

Not everyting that comes through the Suez Canal is destined for UK, The reduction in traffic is generally seen as another indication of the slowing down of global trade.

Questions are being aslked why Coulson was still taking money from NI while he was in Downing Street. This hasn't gone away, the enquiries are still going on.


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Bradders
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Posted - 23/08/2011 : 10:46


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Meanwhile .....there are rumours that Coulson was being paid by N.I. all the time he was employed at No. 10 .........



 

I posted this overnight 16th/17th.....funny it took a week to make the news ....

Tory party trying to bury it when everone was getting excited about Tripoli , I wonder ?



PS ....and why is the BBC's Robert Peston and his connections with Wapping  coming into play here  ?

Edited by - Bradders on 24/08/2011 00:02:39


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Stanley
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 07:18
He was getting somewhere near £250,000 a year from Tories and NI in total. What they should be asking for are details of the positive vetting process if any.

Brad one of the matters that surfaced during the enquiry was Peston's close associations with NI. I agree with you, could be a bit of slective reporting going on here, he will try to protect his contacts. Like everything else connected with the affair, murky and getting the info is like pulling teeth.

Gadafi process not clear yet. One technical thing that struck me was an oil man talking about resumption of Libyan oil exports (2% of global production but very high quality). The oil is very thick and the biggest problem they have is that it has set in the pipes and will take a lot of work to get it flowing again. Problem exacerbated by the imminent advent of colder weather.


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Tardis
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 11:23


quote:
Stanley wrote:
Not everyting that comes through the Suez Canal is destined for UK, The reduction in traffic is generally seen as another indication of the slowing down of global trade.


I agree, but if we are to have an export led recovery, it is a much harder environment to work within, and probably more ably demonstrates that throwing more cash at the problem will not resolve it.


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Tardis
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 11:25


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Michael, read the whole sentence. It was a rhetorical question not a statement of what you said.


I do not believe that there is anything rhetorical in the misrepresentation of an issue through a failure to understand the terms used and apply them within the bounds of accepted theory.


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Bruff
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 14:50
I am reminded of the 'Yes, Prime Minister' episode where Hacker returns from a fraught meeting around the collapse of a bank (rather prophetic).  Dialogue something like this:

 
Hacker: 'God that was awful,  Why didn't Sir Humphrey warn me of this?'
Bernard: 'Sir Humphrey doesn't understand economics, Prime Minister.  He studied classics'. 
Hacker: 'What about Sir Alan?  He's the Head of the Treasury!'
Bernard: 'Well Prime Minister, I'm afraid Sir Alan understands even less about economics.  He's an economist you see'.

 
Richard Broughton



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Bradders
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Posted - 25/08/2011 : 00:05


quote:
Tardis wrote:




I do not believe that there is anything rhetorical in the misrepresentation of an issue through a failure to understand the terms used and apply them within the bounds of accepted theory.
.......and ninethly......



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Stanley
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Posted - 25/08/2011 : 05:23
Thanks Brad, better than I could have put it. I've better things to do than nit pick.

Heard a bloke on R4 yesterday talking sense about economics, didn't catch his name. He wasn't advocating deficit financed spending but predicted a ten to fifteen years of global recession. Problem is he could be right, it could take that long to climb out of this hole because other shocks will hit us. There was a good debate on R4 yesterday from the LSE on economic theory. It will be on listen again. 


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Tardis
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Posted - 25/08/2011 : 11:49


quote:
Bradders wrote:


quote:
Tardis wrote:




I do not believe that there is anything rhetorical in the misrepresentation of an issue through a failure to understand the terms used and apply them within the bounds of accepted theory.
.......and ninethly......


then point 10 is the Last word


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Bradders
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Posted - 25/08/2011 : 23:25
I couldn't possibly comment......(thankyou Bernard )


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Stanley
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Posted - 26/08/2011 : 06:20
Noticeable that the volume of political comment coming out of Downing Street mowadays is directly proportional to the amount of good news on tap. William Hague is allowed to sound positive and vaguley triumphant on Libya even though the outcome is not yet clear and HMRC announce a new deal with Swiss Banks whereby they will be able yo claw back 'Billions' in avoided tax. There are similar arrangements already in place with other jurisdictions but the amount of tax reclaimed has not been made clear. Don't hold your breath, this is not as good as it sounds. Other bolt-holes are available.

Meanwhile the global economy shrinks and the effects haven't fully hit us yet. The next growth and trade figures are not going to be pleasant reading. Warren Buffet pumps money into Bank of America because the share price has fallen by a third. Share price has risen 9%, he's in profit already. Only problem is that this money is speculative and doesn't actually increase the money supply available for investment in growth. Quantitive easing in US is being floated as a possibility but the market doesn't think it is likely. Monetarism still rules and down the line inflation isn't seen as a problem, let the weakest go to the wall. Bad news for the poor.


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Tardis
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Posted - 26/08/2011 : 10:45
Whilst I don't read the Mail, they do seem to have an outstanding scoop on The former two Homes secretary over her use of prisoners on day release:

1. She didn’t make a donation, she paid for services supplied; was VAT charged?
2. How much was the said donation? Was it market price?
3. Who else has been getting services supplied by this charity in exchange for a donation? Charities should not trade, they should set up operating companies and own the shares in the companies. The companies should register for taxes and the all the other requirements of a trading company.
4. How long has this been going on? It seems the opposite of a charitable purpose, the prisoners are being used to generate revenue for the charity.
5. It strikes me that the Charity Commission needs to have a word with this charity. If this is widespread where friendly contacts of the charity are benefitting this HRMC also need to have a look; HRMC are very sensitive to charities being used as a way of avoiding tax and benefitting private individuals.
following on today, there is some stuff about her hubby having an ex-con as a business partner.


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