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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted -  27/11/2011  :  16:30
There are two topics on here at present concerning the impact of war on Barnoldswick, specifically World War One. Like many of us I appreciate that anything related to War is unpleasant and possibly best avoided. The fact remains however that Wars have taken place and indeed still do, and for many of us, although any thing to do with the subject can be painful, there have been terrible losses due to conflict right here. During research on this subject there are a number of things that require some measure of further work if those who paid the final price for our today are not to be forgotten. It was muted a few weeks ago by a member that an updated version of an historic publication might be a good idea. The original book was produced during the First World War to commemorate the Men and Women of Craven who gave their lives to us and this country, and a copy was given to all of those who served and survived, and the the families of those who did not. The information contained in the original book was gathered at a difficult time and is in some cases inaccurate. Thanks to the tireless work of a group headed by Mr Chris Foster of CPGW, much of the information has been, and still is, being updated. It has been my privilege to be able to use this work to build a picture of the impact that the War had on Barnoldswick and its inhabitants, this effort being still ongoing. The original objective was to have a publication ready for the centenary of WW1, this we still hope to achieve. During research, something else became clear and I believe it has to be addressed. The Towns War Memorial has 285 Names relating to the Great War, and yet more Names are coming to light that some of us believe should be appended to the Memorial. What we need is a small number of those who care, to commit themselves in whatever way they can, to this end. A small Commitee of people who have the knowledge or skills that may ease the passage of what is hoped for. So if you wish to help, please put yourselves forward. There will in the future be information posted on here concerning other local areas, so wherever you live, if you think you can help, it will be highly appreciated.

Thank You.

Thomo.



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panbiker
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 15:18
I have just found out via the Find My Past website where you can also sercht The Army Roll of Honour that it has a mandatory surname field. Residences and places of birth were grouped in to major centres of population within each county. Needless to say Barlick is not on the list!

So it looks like this may not be the best way to search for our purposes.


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panbiker
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 16:05
Blessed with afterthought. I have just checked my current Ancestry subscription and find that I can search the Army Roll of Honour from there.

I have had a go but the problem is that as Barlick is not on the grouped list of places within Yorkshire, the search facility returns all 171,000 + results!

It will come in usefull if we have a name to go off. Only covers the Army though. We would still have to search elsewhere for Navy and RAF.

My subscription to Ancestry expires in January and as we have not had time recently to pursue our family tree investigations we are probably going to knock it on the head for the time being in the present economic climate. I do know that Barlick Library has Ancestry access so we could always get at this source there.

I suppose if there was a regular column for losses in the local papers it would cut down the amount of searching if we have to go down this avenue which is looking a lot more likely. Bob Abel may be the one to advise as he has already done it for the Earby lads. I emailed him last week but he has not got back to me yet.

 


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 17:16
I have just had a go at the Military Genealogy site with three trial names, it only came up with results for one, W Pickover. It also looks a bit pricey if its going to be hit or miss. I get windy when I look at subscribing to sites particularly if the fee comes up in dollars, and others require a credit card where as I only have debit cards. I will run some more basic info tests on that one Ian. As to location its the old problem, a bit like the "local" news on TV, we are in no-mans land, same applies to Lancs and Yorks BMDs. Craven does not, nor never did exist!  I have the West Yorks Pioneer roll of honour on the drive and there are names missing from that as well. Modern inteligence is good, but it cannot recover information destroyed in WW2, 40% I understand


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 17:28
Another six names on which I have detailed info has only come up a 30% success rate. I have one site, "Forces War Records", not expensive, plus discount for AFV, it works, but not every time.

According to "Find my past" neither my Father, Grandfathers or myself existed in military records, strange, as I have them all in front of me!


Edited by - thomo on 08/12/2011 5:49:58 PM


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wendyf
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 18:30
Ian, if you tried to contact Bob through the EDLHS website it may not work. I will email him with a link to this topic.


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panbiker
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 18:49
I did originally Wendy but then mailed him direct via the address you gave me.


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panbiker
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 20:58
Chris sent me this modified image:

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panbiker
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 15:29
I have been doing a bit of research regarding local resources available to us for checking for potential missing personnel from the memorial from the Second World War and also what is available for researching into the history of the war memorial.

I have searched through the Lancashire Library catalogue and it looks like there is no existing history on our memorial althought there is on a lot of others around the district.

If we are to do it ourselves, one avenue of research for the war memorial will be the minute books of the B.U.D.C. These are available at Barlick Library and are kept upstairs.

I think the quickest way to cross check our existing losses on the monument and search for any missing will be the same way Bob did his research for the Earby losses. The benefit of this will be that there may well be additional information about the casualty other than just  basic information of name, rank, serial number and date and place of death.

Barlick Library holds microfiche records of both The Craven Herald and The Barnoldswick and Earby Times. These two publications I think will give us a reasonable chance of finding anyone not already on the memorial. They have a transcribed index for The Craven Herald from 1929 onwards. There is no equivalent though for The BET. I have had a quick look through the transcribed index for the CH and have identified a number of reports on names from our memorial. If there was a regular section in the papers for casualty reports it would make the searching somewhat easier.

On a personal note I also found a reference to an article on my dads BEM award which he finaly received in January 1947. I will have to have a look at that.

Army personnel could be crosschecked on the Army Roll of Honour.

This is accesible through the libraries subscription to Ancestry which is available on the library computer suite.

Very roughly the Second World War spanned 6 years from September 1939 to September 1945. CH and BET are weekly publications so to cover the war years alone will require scanning 624 editions for potential missing casualties. Of course we will also have to check for some time after cessation of hostilities for later deaths attributable to the hostilities.

As the newspaper records are quite comprehensive, we can also use the same sources to continue through the later conflicts that we should check, although the nearer they are to the present they become more within living memory. We may get some feedback in this area when we start to publicise what we are hoping to achieve.

There are currently 59 names on the 1939 - 1945 sections of the memorial. There have been a further 5 appended under the main facet of names on the front panel.

I think we should make the effort to ensure to the best of our abilities that we are not leaving anyone off who should be commemorated.
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I checked my mail after I posted this and I have received a reply from Bob Abel for advice. He has offered to help if he can. I have asked him for any relevant information that might be useful to us.

Edited by - panbiker on 10/12/2011 16:32:37


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 16:45
Good stuff Ian. I am about ready to field a new topic:- BWMG with the draft for the press, this is intended as a guide for the reporter to look at and then ask the questions, but I want you all to see it first and then add your comments for addition or removal of items.


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wendyf
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 17:03
The Earby History Society were given a talk by Scott Flavin from the Duke of Wellington's Regiment last year. He presented the society with some research he had done, and I am sure that his research included someone who had been missed off the  Earby memorial. I'm wondering if the research was just for Earby, or whether it was Craven. I will check.


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panbiker
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 17:04
good idea Peter, we could use the new thread for future posts and a precursor for ideas prior to our meeting in the New Year.


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


2021 Posts
Posted - 11/12/2011 : 10:16
As a result of an e/mail from my Niece which included something interesting I will be adding the new thread today. BWMG will appear shortly.


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panbiker
Senior Member


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Posted - 11/12/2011 : 11:23


quote:
wendyf wrote:
The Earby History Society were given a talk by Scott Flavin from the Duke of Wellington's Regiment last year. He presented the society with some research he had done, and I am sure that his research included someone who had been missed off the  Earby memorial. I'm wondering if the research was just for Earby, or whether it was Craven. I will check.

Scot is doing his presentation on the Dukes at Barlick Library for the History Society at the end of March Wendy. I really enjoyed it when I came down to Earby to see it. I will be making a note to see him again in Barlick. If he has any more missing Dukes that would be a great help.

I see that Steve Williams is presenting "Death of a Village - Oradour sur Glane" at the end of April as well, another "must see" for me having experienced the place myself. It will be interesting to see someone elses perspective on this notorious incident.


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