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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
NEW VERSION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MEMBERS WITH SLOW CONNECTIONS TO CONNECT.

Follw this LINK for last version.


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Stanley
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 05:51
Splendid. It's quite a happy club!

I had an interesting conversation yeaterday with a service man who rang me to find out how to get to me. After a few minutes I realised that the reason we weren't making progress was that he was checking what I said against his sat nav which was giving him different information. Eventually I suggested that instead of looking at Satnavworld he should look  look out of the window and tell me what he could see. That solved it, six minutes, that's a long time to explain directions. What struck me was that even though his sat nav had obviously let him down he trusted it more than my input. I thought back to all those years on the tramp with a few well-thumbed Esso road maps, never got lost or missed finding a destination.

The Olympic Committee announce that next games there will be a UK football team. Problem is they never consulted with the FA and other national bodies. The FA and the Irish authorities have said immediately that it won't happen. How did this happen? Did nobody think to consult?


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belle
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 10:43
I'm with you there on sat navs..my able husband could always be relied upon to get us anywhere untill he became dependant on the sat nav..now i just sit beside him with the map handy waiting for the bit of the journey where he finally admits the sat nav is a lying toadie and leaves virtual world for the good old fashioned relaity of a map!
One tool i do love though is google maps little yellow man..street view as it's referred to, and the reason why i love it is that if i am going somewhere for the very first time I can get my map directions and in the busy town bits can just pop down to street level and get some landmarks and bearings for where the turn offs are...how fantastic is that? The other lovely thing to do is sit with an friend who knows nothing of your origins and walk them down the street  you grew up on...


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wendyf
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 11:45
I  recently went for a virtual walk down the street where I grew up in Leeds. It was a really interesting experience seeing what had changed and what was just the same. It triggered many memories.


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Tizer
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 12:20
I've just been catching up on this thread and reading the story of the expensive brake light incident. My dad has a Ford Ka which has given no trouble but then the red warning light on the dash started coming on at odd times. The village mechanic had a look and said there was nothing wrong with the engine and that he would have to go to the Ford garage if he wanted something done about the light through their diagnostics machine. He carried on with the car in that condition for a while but then decided to go and get the light fixed. They had to replace a little sensor and it cost him £100!

On a different topic - I listened to Radio 4's `Start the Week' on Monday and was worried by what I heard there about the latest development in internet search engines. Google are now `selecting' what results they give you to your searches based on what they have recorded from all your previous searches. In other words, two people will get different results to the same search. It's causing much concern among folk who know about it because of the way it will reinforce people's present beliefs rather than providing them with objective information. If an anti-semitist, for instance, makes Google searches now he will increasingly get results that support his anti-semitic beliefs and not the web pages that offer a different view.

The development also has commercial and privacy implications in the way that the information from your search results is sold on to other companies. The man who presented the story on the radio programme said that your `clicks' could be spread to companies wordlwide in seconds and change your `profile' second by second, allowing them to modify what they offer you in the way of products and services. George Orwell eat your heart out!


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belle
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 12:54
This explains why google search results have been so linited recently..it won't be long before the internet is unusable.


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Tizer
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 17:10
Belle, I'm not seeing any significant decline in the number of results I get from searches but I had noticed that some important web sites seemed to be missing, ones that I would have expected to turn up from the keywords that I entered. It seems to confirm what the man on the radio was saying and Google is deciding what `it' thinks I should have rather than giving me all relevant results objectively and leaving it to me to choose which I want to browse. Somebody on the radio programme said that when he bought a newspaper he often ended up reading stories that he hadn't been looking for but this widened his knowledge and honed his opinions. If he searches on the internet he can get newspaper stories but they are now being selected to match what he has searched for before, so he's being channelled down one route and without being warned that is the case. (It reminds me a bit of how my mother was always deciding that somebody liked a particular meal and kept giving it to them, regardless of whether they really liked it or not!)


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Bradders
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 17:34
Peter....Don't talk to me about Mothers !......When I went to do some "fun-busking" in Padstein recently , mine sent me out with a pack-up of cheese and tomato sarnies ......because I happened to mention that my Harmonica player is a vegetarian !

Firstly , I didn't need a pack-up, and Secondly , she didn't need to include snadwiches for him ! (or sandwiches ) either ....

When I got home and asked her why she had made such a mountain of food , she said that she didn't want to appear stingy.......AaaaaaaW ...Bless.!

(They didn't go to waste  .......)





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belle
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 19:53
Can you suggest another search engine Tizer?  i m not a fan of yahoo.


Bradders back in the day when I ate bread, cheese and tomto sarnies were an all time favourite, in fact I got d to make some the night i went into labour with my last child, deliverd at 4 am and had them for breakfast around 6. sweet!


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Stanley
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 05:58
Have a look at this LINK for the Albion Colliery disaster on this day in 1984. 290 men and boys killed. The price of coal!

The mention of the difference between reading a newspaper and doing a focussed internet search reminds me of my contention that old-fashioned card indexes are a wonderful way of encouraging serendipity, during your search you trip over references that you had forgotten.

President Obama announces withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. At the same time the President of the Fed downgrades growth for the US economy and says that the indicators aren't very encouraging. The two things are not disconnected.


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Stanley
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 06:38
Cartoon in PE shows a negotiator sat with a Taliban leader. The negotiator is saying "If you don't give in we'll quit!"  That about sums it up!


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frankwilk
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 08:09
" Cartoon in PE shows a negotiator sat with a Taliban leader. The negotiator is saying "If you don't give in we'll quit!"  That about sums it up! "
Stanley I am afraid you understand very little about Afghanistan.
The Taliban are talking because of a clear and deliberate policy, which has been to eliminate the leaders of this organisation. This is the policy that has brought the more moderate elements of the Taliban to the table, because they don't want to be executed !!! 
It actually boils down to, are you in this for Politics or are you in this as a Muslim Fundamentalist carrying out Jihad.
The political elements that need to be resolved are Afghanistan, Pakistan and India



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Stanley
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 08:26
Fascinating and entirely credible interview with Lord Dannet on R4. You should listen to it. Then perhaps your understanding would improve. This would put you in a better position to crticise other people's understanding.


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Tizer
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 09:26
quote:
belle wrote:
Can you suggest another search engine Tizer?
I don't like Yahoo either and the only alternative I can suggest is `Dogpile' which has had good reviews in the past. I think I'll start using it and see how I go on. It's web page is here:

http://www.dogpile.com/

And it's Wikipedia entry here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogpile

 

I've started a new thread on `Alternatives to Google'.

Edited by - Tizer on 23/06/2011 09:36:20


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frankwilk
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 13:45
Stanley  Did you not watch BBC2 last night ?? You should and then you may have a better current understanding.
I never did like to listen to past Army Officers who have Many Many Mistakes yet to Answer for, with regards to Afghanistan.
Was it Dannat who complained about the lack of Equipment in Afghanistan ?? or was it the 2IC of the RAF who complained with regards to the poor equipment. You don't get to be the Head of Anything without being able to play politics, and that is the same in the Military.  Oh and you never really get to the top without the ability to stamp on the ones below, who are also trying to climb the greasy pole.
I have just read a paper on Current,  Insurgency and Counter Insurgency Tactics, when it is published I will buy you a copy, it reads much better than PE



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Bradders
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Posted - 23/06/2011 : 18:12


quote:
frankwilk wrote:
I have just read a paper on Current,  Insurgency and Counter Insurgency Tactics, when it is published I will buy you a copy, it reads much better than PE
If the paper isn't published , how come you got to read it ?

 


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