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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
NEW VERSION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MEMBERS WITH SLOW CONNECTIONS TO CONNECT.

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catgate
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 12:07
Isn't it funny how successive "progressive thinking" governmennts always seem to like use money as a means of controlling/rationing things.

It always ends up the same way. The bankers son can get pissed out of his mind and his wife can take the kids to school in a Chelsea tractor. Meanwhile the farm labourer can't afford enough LPG for his heating and his wife has to take the kids to the NHS dentist 20miles away by bus, after she has saved up for weeks.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 19:08
When the prices of booze go up by whatever amount to reach the minimum selling price who gets the extra mark up?  Tesco and other retailers?  What does this move do to help pub owners who are in trouble?  Surely the right move is to TAX alcohol, any government legislated increase should be for the public good.  Canadian booze prices are high (as are cigs) through taxation, the USA booze prices are low, our health care is free...don't get sick in the USA.

The government has no place in price fixing simply for the interest of business, but if the aim is to raise the price do so for the public good and tax the product.....a further step might be to exempt the pub owners from the added tax...make the tax an end user tax like VAT.

With the low prices of booze in the UK there is a lot of tax revenue that could be used to offset budget shortfalls.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 19:17
Herb we don't do grown up thinking !!!!!!!



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Bradders
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 23:33
Frank...What ever you do ...  PLEASE.... don't delete that comment......!

 

Edited by - Bradders on 19/01/2011 11:35:27 PM

Edited by - Bradders on 19/01/2011 11:37:37 PM


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HerbSG
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 04:44
Bradders, did you understand it?  Do you have a comment on thge original post?


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 05:29
"Herb we don't do grown up thinking !!!!!!!"

Frank, some of us did.

It won't affect my drinking, 16 year old Lagavulin costs slightly more than the £8 cap on a bottle of whisky.  As for who gets the extra, from the usual predatory buying tactics of the supermarkets I would guess it was the manufacturers who weren't forced to subsidise the low price.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 07:48
Clearly Herb he didn't in fact it took three goes to get any answer !!!!.

If you want to stop Alcohol being dangerous start by Doubling the TAX on anything above 5% ABV, or ban the production. 
That's how they got rid of Capstan Full Strength if I remember correctly



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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 08:35
What caught my attention this morning was how Cat food and Dog food prices are increasing because of the increase in VAT.
The bit that really got my attention was when the presenter said a little about the ingredients. Flour being one of them, now the World is getting short of Flour. I wonder how long it will be before we will be told we can't keep Cat's and Dog's due to the crisis in World Food Production ???
I think GM Crops will be needed sooner rather than later.



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Bodger
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 09:37
Re pet food, maybe my brain cells are slowing down, but i do'nt recall seeing pet food for sale as a youngster, the pets killed, rats, mice, rabbits etc, or/ plus had left over scraps from the table. I think the industry developed from the days when we started buying & wasting food, ie nobody eats offal much today, and of course sell by date has propagated the production of same


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Tizer
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 10:14
"Pet food manufacturer invests £34 million in expansion plan", 19th April 2010, GA Petfood Partners at Preston, Lancs.

"The company currently has the capacity to manufacture 70,000 tonnes of dry pet food a year, serving more than 300 different pet food brands and customers. The planned investment will take this up to 100,000 tonnes with the installation of a fourth extruder in the first two years, increasing to an annual capacity of 150,000 tonnes with the addition of a further extruder. Extensive investment in a new fresh meat plant is also planned, enabling the handling and processing of a wide range of fresh meats into dry extruded pet foods."

"GA is based on Lancashire’s largest arable farm near Preston on an estate measuring nine miles by four miles. There are currently five pet-related sites on the estate serving the main production facility. As part of the planned investment, a fully automated, 15,000-pallet warehouse will accommodate the current off-site storage – reducing significantly the 12,000 trips made between the various GA sites by consolidating all operations on to a single site. ‘Robots’ will load goods, ensuring a fast and efficient despatch."

"Global petfood market forecast to reach US$56.4 billion by 2015". See petfoodindustry.com

The petfood industry is booming even in countries with large proportions of poor, under-nourished people.

It's not only the food companies who make a fortune out of our love of pets. The drug companies do it too. Pfizer Inc sells a dog-obesity drug called Slentrol in the USA and it costs $1 to $2 a day. Eli Lilly & Co sells a drug for "canine separation anxiety" which is said to be based on the active ingredients in Prozac.

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catgate
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 10:57
The trouble is not with alcohol....it is the people who get plastered that are the trouble. They need peersuading to not get plastered. Punishments that hurt, and hurt sufficient to persuade others that the ultimate price of too much alcohol hurts more than they can afford financially, physically and'or mentally.

Of course the brewers/distillers/retailers will not like this way. But it would solve the problem.


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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 15:16
Frank,you can still buy Capstan full strength,they're well over 7 quid a packet now....

Bodge,was pet food not made at the knackers yards from old nags that were taken in..


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 15:56
you can still buy Capstan full strength,they're well over 7 quid a packet now....

Thank's Tom if £7 a packet dosen't make you give them up nothing will.!!!!
Thank's Tizer  Pet Food is really  a massive enterprise



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catgate
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 17:15


quote:
Tizer wrote:
. Eli Lilly & Co sells a drug for "canine separation anxiety" which is said to be based on the active ingredients in Prozac.

Edited by - Tizer on 20/01/2011 10:22:07

Does this mean that the old tried and trusted bucket of water is no longer effective?


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HerbSG
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 17:48
Rules pertaining to pet food here in Canada are very strict, a friend of mine worked for a rendering company that added dog food to their product line (the rest being tallow) the product could not be sold here so they exported most of it to Bermuda.

In my younger years I had a friend who's habit of picking at your food was very irritating, first thing he woulkd do when visiting was to go to the fridge.  One morning , knowing that he was coming over I put a can of dog food in a fry pan (this food looked like corned beef) when he came in I put a fried egg on top and served him "breakfast" to teach him a lesson.  Problem seemed to be that this back fired because he loved the meal!


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