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waynelund
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I would like to trace my abovementioned ancestors prior to their renting Harden New Hall in the latter part of the 18th Century. After leaving Kelbrook they rented Snowhill Farm and The Old Hall in Bolton from the Lever family (of Unilever fame). Old family stories have it that they fitted their cattle with leather shoes for the journey from Kelbrook to Bolton, to prevent the cattle becoming lame on the cobble stones.
On their marriage on 2 March 1813, Matthew is listed as a hatter and Ellen (nee Parke) a spinster from Harden. The next year when they gave birth to Sarah, Matthew is listed as a farmer...suggesting perhaps that Matthew married into a farming family....the Parkes.
Can anyone help me with this?
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wendyf
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 12:52
Hello Wayne. That is a nice story about the cattle being shod for the journey.
We have discussed the Lunds at Harden New Hall quite recently, have you searched the site?
The farms round here, (I can see Harden New Hall from my window) were small, poor subsistance farms where other income would have been required to support a family.
I will see what I can discover for you.
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waynelund
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 13:13
Wendy,
Many thanks for your information. I was born in Bolton but now have homes in Australia and South Africa. I have just returned from the UK where I buried my fathers ashes at the "family grave" in Darcy Lever, Bolton. Whilst in the UK, I met a relative who has researched our family history and whom visited Kelbrook and obtained info from the Parish Registers in Thornton in Craven. On returning to South Africa, I Googled "Harden" and Matthew Lund and it directed me to the conversation on this website...hence my registration here.
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 15:56
I have been looking at the transcripts of the Thornton in Craven parish registers and the name Parke only crops up once, when Ellen Parke marries Matthew Lund. Do you think it could have been mis-spelt? The obvious name would be Parker, as there are many Parkers in this area. I can't find a baptism for Matthew or for Ellen (Parke or Parker). There is a baptism for an Ellen Parkinson, 16/1/1791 (born 28/10/1790) daughter of Robert & Ann Parkinson. Robert was a hatter of Kelbrook. Robert & Ann Pickles were married 20/10/1785 and Robert is described as being from Bullhead, which I think could be Bawhead which was down towards Earby, but just across the valley from Harden New Hall. A witness to their marriage was Mark Lund.
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Sunray10
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 18:33
Wayne, I remember going to a place called Breitmet ( have I spelt it right) near Bolton with a friend in the early 1970s. Is that close to Darcy Lever. In the evening we went to the Bolton Little Theatre for a concert.
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Stanley
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 05:06
Wendy, cattle used to be shod with iron shoes by the drovers and daft as it sounds, geese and turkeys were 'shod' by driving them through hot tar and thenm sawdust to put a protective coat on their feet. See 'Drove Roads of England' by Bonser. Lots of good stuff in there. I brought the Packhorse Papers up as well, I thought I'd mentioned it in there but can't find it.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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waynelund
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 10:55
Sunray - Your memory is spot on after 40 years! Breightmet is a suburb of Bolton. It is not far from Darcy Lever. My uncle used to live there so I am quite familiar with the area although, as I mentioned previously, I no longer live in Bolton and my visits there are now fairly rare. |
waynelund
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 11:22
Wendy, many thanks for your research into the Lunds. It does sound like Ellen Parke could be Ellen Parkinson. Have you any suggestions as to where I could look next to find out where I could find out more about Matthew and Ellen Lund? They had a child called Luke baptised on 16 May 1819 and I notice that a Luke Lund appeared on the Barnoldswick Court Rolls of May 1723. This is obviously not the same person but maybe that Christian name ran in the family. However, there do appear to be quite a few Lunds who lived in the area at the time and may not all have been related.
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wendyf
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 16:15
Luke looks to have been a family name, as was Mark & Matthew.
There is a marriage of Luke Lund of Kelbrook to Jane Bracewell of Kelbrook on the 22/7/1779. There are no baptisms of any children of that marriage. Another Luke Lund, married to Martha Hartley, has 7 children baptised between 1803 & 1815. Then there are 3 boys called Luke Lund baptised in 1816, 18 & 19, to different families.
There are 3 other Lund families (all hatters) having children baptised around the time Matthew must have been born.
Mark & Mary of Ballhead, 1781 onwards.
Thomas & Mary of Kelbrook 1784 to 1816.
Henry & Jane (Booth) of Stonetrough married 1780, had Henry baptised 1790, but other children baptised at St Bartholomews, Colne.
Complicated stuff! I dont know where you go from here Wayne. Have you had a search on Ancestry?
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Sunray10
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 19:05
Thanks Wayne. I remember being told that a relation of the actor, Albert Finney, lived at Breightmet. I wonder if that's true, or not ?
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waynelund
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 20:10
Hi Wendy, I wasn't sure what you meant by a "search on ancestry" but after Googling I realised you are referring to ancestry.com. I will certainly try this when I have spare time this week.
Many thanks for your help.
I am looking forward to a visit to Kelbrook and the surrounding area on my next trip to the UK.
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 21:53
Wayne, I have a sub for ancestry so if you want me to look for something then just give me the details and I'll have a look.
Gloria
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waynelund
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 22:04
Sunray - I know Albert Finney was from Salford but other than being born in Greater Manchester, I don't know of any other connection he has to Bolton or of the relation you mention.
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waynelund
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 22:06
Thanks Gloria....I will get back to you when I have worked out the best source available.
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wendyf
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 09:51
This link should take you to a photo of a document in the possession of the Cononley History Society, showing the amount of Land Tax owed in 1821 for various properties belonging to William Wainman of Carr Head, Cowling.( He had Harden New Hall built sometime towards the end ot the 18th Century).
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wendyf
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 09:56
There is a record on FamilySearch of Matthew in the 1841 census, which says he was 53 at that time, and born in Thornton in Craven. I dont know how accurate that is.
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Matthew (Died 1871) and Ellen Lund(1792-1860)
