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Invernahaille
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Posted -  26/06/2006  :  04:02







Edited by - Invernahaille on 10 April 2007 04:41:19
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Stanley
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 09:51
I've brought this topic back to the fore because I needed some info out of it and I think Karl was looking for a big diesel engine.  It's in here.


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karlelden
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 18:51

OK, so which Karl?  If you're talking about that big Sulzer, I guess it's not me.  I saw that website a couple years ago.  The other Karl, maybe.  Guess I might have to change my signature.  Got an email a while back from Karl Eden on this list commenting on the similarity of our names.

BTW, you people must know the PLAN/33000 formula for finding HP of simple steam mentioned by Frank above...

Pressure times Length of stroke times Area of bore times Number of revolutions per minute all divided by 33000.




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Mercury
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 20:25
Of course we know the formula!  And some on here know what indicator diagrams are as well.....


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Invernahaille
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 20:33
Certainly do.


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Stanley
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 05:47
I never bothered to work out the HP when I was indicating.  What I was looking for were clues to how the valves were performing and any other abnormal events.  So the PLAN formula didn't ring a bell.  I used to get fed up with books written on indicating by man who had never run an engine in their lives.  I've always said that there was more rot written about indicators than any other aspect of steam engines. 


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Callunna
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 09:49
Forgive me - I haven't been following this thread as up to now I haven't had much cause to get involved with things of a nautical nature, so if I ask questions which have already been covered in this lengthy topic, please make allowances.

Without going into great detail, let's just say I need to gather information about someone who wants to live permanently on a canalboat.

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Invernahaille
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 12:55
Hi Cal. Your best bet would be to contact B.W.B. (British Waterways Board) in the area in which they want to reside on a narrowboat. Dont be surprised if the answer comes back in the negative. There used to be a thriving resident canal community in Oxford. However, local developers moved in and persuaded B.W. to move the residents on. They can enforce this by making new regulations as to how long you can moor at a given place. There are a lot of things to be considered too. Although most modern vessels have showers etc, there are problems with doing washing etc (clothes) remember that most places do not have water hook-ups, and you have to fill and empty clean and soiled water tanks etc. It can be a good way to live. Good luck.


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Mercury
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 13:34

Yes, that's a good place to start.

You'll find them here:-

www.waterscape.com

 



Edited by - Mercury on 06 March 2007 13:45:47


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belle
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 13:53
Cal, i was googling Canal boats some time ago and there appears to be an"expert "on them living in Barlick, can't remember his name, but you would probably find him quite quickly if you didi a search.


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Callunna
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 14:24
Thanks for the responses, everyone.

I've googled till I've got canalboats sailing out of my ears! And yes, the expert you surely mean would be Mike Clarke, who's written an authoritative book and gives talks on the subject. I contacted him but he says he only gets involved with the historical side of things these days.

I was absolutely amazed at how much info there is on the subject, and now feel quite at home with all the terminology (wide beam, semi-trad, joshers, cratch covers, cloughs etc).

A vast subject to get to grips with. So many choices and alternatives.

So far, the leaning is towards a 50' widebeam cruiser with wind turbine and solar panels, satellite broadband, bought new as a "sailaway+" and the fitting-out completed by the purchaser.

But that's today. They may change their mind tomorrow...

Just thought - I didn't mean to hijack (or, as we're on a nautical theme, pirate) this topic by steering it towards narrowboats, so I'll start up a new one in the hobbies section.

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Stanley
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 07:36
H, don't bother, it's marine matters after all.  I have some friends who are in the process of buying a Dutch barge and intend to cruise the canals of Europe for a few years.  Different scale altogether than the typical narrowboat but same principles.  Mind you, I also knew a couple who tried it in UK and after two years went back into a house, horses for courses I suppose.


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Invernahaille
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 14:14
Stanley. Would that be Pauline and Eddie Wroe? They are good friends of mine, they built a boat and sailed it across to europe, they started by going across the channel to France and did the inland waterways through belgium and ending up in Holland.


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Stanley
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 17:37
No, different couple....


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James Powell
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Posted - 14/03/2007 : 04:13


quote:
Mercury wrote:

How many qualified marine engineers are around today who can handle steam engine/boiler work and operation?

My old boss had a 1st Class ticket, diesel with steam endorsement. Any 1st Class Steam and Diesel around?


Not 1st class at all, I have ~3rd class Steam, would have been elegable for a combined but the Navy saw fit to post me before I got a Orca ticket...On the outside, I currently have nothing, but the ticket is rated to steam boilers to 214 000 lb (for military purposes)

James




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Invernahaille
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Posted - 14/03/2007 : 16:58

Bit of a misnoma here. Tickets are rated by Kw (HP). A guy with a class three can be a chief engineer on a ship with a propulsion unit upto 3000Kw. These are usually supply type vessels for the oil rigs etc. A 1st class certificate of competency has no limitations (excepting D.C.Es.) Dangerous cargo endorsements. These are for Oil Tankers LPG Carriers etc. There are a few guys that I keep in touch with who are in posession of combined tickets. A combined ticket qualifies the holder to chief engineer status on both Steam and motor propelled vessels. There just arn't that many steamships around. The occasional steam preservation vessel. The modern cadetship which is four years, consist of a great deal of shorebased study, with some practical experience. During this time the cadet will go to sea probably two to three times to obtain sea time. At the end of the course the cadet will complete his (or hers) class 2 cerificate of competency. They will then join a ship as second engineer or mate. Gain more sea time then take a 1st class or masters certificate of competency. Usually after two to three years seatime. That is why you are getting Ships Masters and Chief Engineers at the ages of 23-25.

I was still a third engineer when I was in my mid twenties, although I had a second class certificate of competency.




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