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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:37
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Stanley
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Posted - 06/03/2011 : 07:03
As if he needed any encouragement!


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belle
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Posted - 07/03/2011 : 11:04
The cover certainly caught my eye, it's been ages since I was on here, nice to know all the chat has produced a book (or two!) well done.


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DickTurnip
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Posted - 09/03/2011 : 18:04
Tongue-outHi all. Hope youre all well and mental as ever (Bob and Tom)  hahaha just kidding. Taken me all of 3 months to realise a new section of sj had started. Wondered why htere were no posts on number 4...DERRRRR!!!!  Got a cracking story to post but just need to verify the facts so I dont make a knob of myself.


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Posted - 09/03/2011 : 18:59
Belle,the last time you saw a book cover like that you was looking on the top shelf at the newsagents,haha..

Chris,derrrrrrr,hehe,I cant speak for Bob but I keeping coming down with sanity,i sit down 'til the feeling easesWink,verify the facts,haha,dont bother,nobody else doesTongue-outhehe..


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DickTurnip
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Posted - 09/03/2011 : 21:05
It was on the radio the other day about a chimney at Frogall Copper works/smelter. The chimney to the plant was scheduled for demolition. The jacks arrived and started to cut the gob out and left it on brick piers which leads me to think it was to be blown down with explosives rather than a jacks felling. Anyway, the factory is a listed building alongside a conserved railway. (you know whats coming dont ya) Someone complained about chimney coming down to the council saying it was a landmark etc etc. The council rolled up in the way they do and put a preservation order on the chimney saying it was to be included with the other listed buildings. Emegency shoring had to be inserted in the gob and thats how it was left. I dont know if the stack is still standing or if  a pigeon fart finished it off but really not sure how they will go about repairing stack base? I suppose a mass concrete underpin style pour could work but loads of engineering factors to consider.  Two thirds of the stack is cut out so its lost a lot of structural integrity so either way its one hell of a headache for somebody. The preservation order was placed the day before the stack was to come down so bet the demo man was chuffed.

Edited by - DickTurnip on 09/03/2011 9:09:52 PM


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Stanley
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 06:37
Wonderful cock-up story Dick.  We all know that no matter what engineering wonders (and money!) they throw at it, it is no longer the compicated equation of forces and counter-forces it was before. Pity they left the piers in. My guess is that they will start arguing, while they are doing that the stack will settle and in the end they will realise it's starting to lean and then some poor bugger will have to go in and pop some pills in. Problem is it is now an unknown quantity. Let us know what happens!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-12281146


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DickTurnip
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 06:56
Hi Stanley. Yes I think youre right with that one. I dont see how anyone can calculate if the piers are of equal strength to keep stack straight. Also as most on here will know, when beginning a felling procedure once the brickwork has started to be removed, its not long before cracks appear at the opposite side to the gob so in my opinion its too late for remedies because the stack is already moving in the desirede
 direction of fall and thus out of plumb. Also, if cracked on the outside its got to cracked internally and liners are a different entity altogether. A 1mm crack at the base of a stack that high will cause magnified movement further up. Just a matter of time til something gives I think-even if it is shored up. Even if it was "on the sticks"  demo men are always keen to get the thing over as its now a loose cannon.

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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 09:22
There's an 18th February report here:
http://www.northstaffordshire.co.uk/?p=2870


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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 10:10
All demolition work in this country has to be passed by the council ,so the owners of the site or the demo company are going to be in trouble for not contacting the appropriate authority,or better still the council passed the demo until some keen eyed local historian noticed it was a listed landmark,chuckle chuckle.....If that chimney's 328ft iam 12'6" tall,probably around 150ftmax..costly mistake by whoever,they will have to rebuild the base and liner as its grade 2 listed,might need corner plates and bands aswell..


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Stanley
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 05:13
"The council’s building control team inspected the building, concluding that it would no longer pose a threat to the public in high winds."

Nice to see they are so confident. I doubt if any of the lads on here would be so sanguine but what the hell do they know about tall structures! It's not simply the stack, more complicated than that, I'll bet they've assumed that the foundation is OK as it wasn't touched. Wrong lads, the pressures on the foundation have been re-distributed and personally I'd say they were on a sticky wicket. Best thing they could do is get an insurance company to give a quotation for insuring it and see what they think. I like to see confidence but I fear they are on dodgy ground here.


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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 21:15
tom are you and johnny boy scared a rain or what ,,, you wont rust ,,,,,, me and jamie are going to fix yon stack a few hundred block and some sand and cement ,,,thatll fix it....lolol


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Stanley
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 06:17
Block the 'ole and pump six loads of ready-mix in from the top....

I was once called to advise on a fault on a very big flywheel. In the course of talking through the traditional and very expensive cure I said that what they had to guard against was some cowboy recommending an 'instant solution' inolving welding the crack in the big CI boss. There was a deathly hush for a second or two and the Chief Concil Honcho said "How did you know about that?"  It turned out that they'd gone to the cowboys before they sent for me. There's always someons who will give an El Cheapo solution. Best thing they can do is bow to the inevitable and drop it!


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Posted - 15/03/2011 : 17:19
Is that a Stork or a Crane ....(or both ?)...Ha!


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Stanley
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Posted - 16/03/2011 : 06:33
Someone's feeding it. Either a small skip or a very big bird! I love mystery pics like that, well done Bob!


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