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peteaharrison
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Back in 1921 my grandfather Matthew Harrison left Barlick and set off for Australia.
I have recently found very brief details from the passenger list of SS Themistocles on which he sailed from London on the 7th December 1921. His address is given as Craven House, Newtown, Barnoldswick. I'm aware that the offices of a firm of solicitors is now accommodated there, but does anyone know for what purpose the building was used in Matthew's time? I had previously associated him with Park Road and Park Avenue.
Any information would be very much appreciated.... Pete (formerly of Barlick, now in Yeovil, Somerset)
Edited by - peteaharrison on 08/04/2008 3:29:29 PM
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Stanley
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 07:30
Pete, you've baffled me. Do you mean the offices at the head of Newtown where Walker, Charlesworth and Foster are? If so, I know something about this and I'll have a furtle for you. It'll be well buried, I may be in the index for a while..........
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 08:13
Here's the 1892 OS 25" of Barlick. If I'm right, the building you are talking about is the large plot at the top of Newtown an could be regarded as at the end of King Street. The only clue I can find is in the Barlick Rate books for 1892 (entry 546). This doesn't mention the plot specifically but says that William Brooks owned 'A stable on King Street and Numbers 8, 10 and 12.' The only building I can think of in King Street that looks like a stable now is the outbuidings on that site. This isn't perfect information in my mind because if you look at 8, 10 and 12, the cottages at the head of what is now Brook Street, there were associated buildings on that site further west towards Jepp Hill which have since been demolished. It could well be that these were stables. So sorry I can't be definitive but that's the best info I have. I'm curious about 'Craven House', I have never heard that name before.
There is a little bell ringing in my mind..... In 1891 the Craven Bank moved into premises on Newtown on the site where Barclay's is now. I can well imagine them changing the name of the building to Craven House. As it was at that time an existing building it could well be that there was living accommodation there. Sorry to throw a stone in the pond but worth taking note of.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 12:44
I have always known the building occupied by Walker Foster (Formerly Walker, Charlesworth and Foster) as Craven House. I paid the deposit on my first house there when we got our first mortgage. I looked on their website and they give their postal address as just Craven House plus the Barlick postcode. Surprised you have never heard the name Stanley.
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 14:38
I am trying to find it, but I think it was the home of a John Widdup a Docor.He went to Australia. I have a picture of a house and I am sure it is Craven house, I will have to check my Tree Notes
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thomo
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 15:06
What is now Craven House was at one time the Commercial Hotel, a photo of it can be found amongst old Barlick pictures that are available commercialy, I will see if I can find one.
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peteaharrison
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 16:06
Thomo...do you know if what is now named Craven House had the same name at the time I'm interested in.....late 1921 ie are the photographs of the Commercial Hotel that you refer to of a date prior to 1921?
I very much appreciate everyone's interest and if there is/are photograph/s available - that'd be great.
Pete
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 17:06
Sorry wrong house
Alec (23/4/1917 – 6/10/1958) was raised in Thornton – in – Craven and lived in Elm Tree House. He gained his medical degree from Cambridge.
Sue
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Stanley
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 18:25
I know this is a tease but here's the corner in about 1890. At least you know now that the house had iron railings and a gas lamp!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 20:24
I do not have any old pictures Pete but I have just taken these views.
First is lokking at Craven House from Newtown.
Next picture shows the view at the side of Craven House. Picture shows the outbuildings as Stanley described.
The last picture shows the same view of the bottom of King Street from Rainhall Road as in Stanleys picture above. Railings have gone but the lamposts still there.
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thomo
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 22:40
In the "Comm" Hotel pic, the position of the front door and type of windows was similar to the current ones. I think there was a sign in the left hand window advertising dentistry.
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 07:58
Was the white building at the top of Newtown not a building society at some point (1950)?
HERB
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Stanley
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 09:14
Herb, Walker et al the solicitors were agents for a building society. Pete, as a personal favour I ruined my eyes by trawling every entry in Barrett for 1914 and Kelly for 1922. In Kelly I found this entry:
Mrs Elizabeth Ann Bowker, confectioner, Craven House, Newtown..
No other mentions of Craven House in either directory.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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thomo
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 09:31
The photo I saw was displayed in the council shop window, I will have a trawl through my digi photo albums today and see if I have a copy.
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peteaharrison
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 12:00
Stanley....your efforts are much appreciated, and fruitful - Elizabeth Ann Bowker was Matthew Harrison's mother-in-law (and, of course, my great grandmother).
You've provided a valuable piece of information regarding my family history that I was not previously aware of....can you recall the year the entry appeared in Barrett or Kelly? If you can't please don't bother going back through them all ....... :-)
Also, Thomo, it'd be great if you could find an old photo of the building.
Again, many thanks Stanley, Panbiker and all - Pete
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Stanley
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 14:45
Pete, the entry is in the 1922 Kelly's directory.
Peter, your memory is good about the sign in the window. I had a look at the building on my way back down from Letcliffe. If you look at the picture Panny posted of the yard you'll see there is a swivelling gantry for a block and tackle on the left hand wall in the yard and beneath it a large concreted section that was obviously the trap door into the cellar. Classic set up for a pub. I looked at the frontage and whilst you can't be certain of the material, which I think is concrete, you can see the original quoin stones vanishing under what is evidently a new facade.
I've never heard of it being an hotel so I went digging in my p/copies of directories. What I found eventually in the 1890 barrett directory was an entry for a Robert Anderson, dentist and Commercial Hotel, 1a King Street. The same entry appears in the 1887 directory but there is no mention in either 1883 or 1893. The only variation is in Kelly for 1889 which gives Robert Anderson as herbalist and toy dealer, King Street. This man was versatile........! Remember that at the same time the Commercial Hotel already existed on Church Street and so the appelation 'commercial hotel' refers to the function and was almost certainly not the name of the establishment.
The only thing that exercises my mind about the 1922 entry for Elizabeth Ann Bowker is that they are big premises for a confectioner. I found another entry at the same time (but then lost it) for a potatoe merchant in King Street and I can't think of any other premises that could fit the bill.
There is also mention of a wagonette proprietor in Newtown and the premises look ideally suited for that purpose.
I have another entry for Mrs Elizabeth Ann Bowker, In the 1902 Barrett directory she is listed as Milliner on Rainhall Road.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Craven House - Newtown - Barlick
