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peteaharrison
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Posted -  04/12/2005  :  17:29

I was born in 1945 and lived at 10 North Street, Barlick.   Park Road then seemed to be populated almost exclusively by members of my family....at 46 Park Road my grandmother Eleanor (Nellie) Harrison lived with her sister Edna Bowker, and at different times, other sisters including most recently (till 1989) Grace Simpson.   Grace previously lived further down Park Road with her husband Alf Simpson (at one time Chairman of Barlick UDC)....their son Jack and his wife Shirley also had a house in Park Road, and Alf's brother Billy Simpson (married to Bell another of my grandmother' sisters) had the Butcher's shop in Park Road.

I have fond memories of catching Sticklebacks and Bullheads in 'Cloggers Beck' and lackin' (playing) in an area between North Street and Forty Steps....I remember there used to be a big wooden shed next to the rough track going down to Forty Steps, and at one time it contained a huge fabricated shoe that I think was built for a stage production which included "The Old Woman who lived in a shoe".   On some occasions we go up Esp Lane to 'The Springs' which was then farmed by my great uncle Maurice Dewhurst (formerly married to another of my grandmother's sisters Annie).

I recall my friends from North Street included the Warrington lads, the Bracewell sisters, Wright, Broughton and Peckover boys.

I have a vague memory that, as a family, my brother John and I with our father and mother Frank and Joyce Harrison used to call in on folk living in Gisburn Road.   I feel that it could have been 203 Gisburn Road which is an address on funeral cards relating to Francis and Rose Harrison my great grandparents.....it seems that they perhaps ran a grocery shop or similar at that address.    In the vagueness of early memories I also associate the name 'Auntie Liza' with the same area.....this lady is Elizabeth (nee Harrison - I'm unsure of her married name).....I would  be most grateful for any information regarding this Gisburn Road reference.

In the early 1950s my family moved to the south coast and my grandmother used to post a copy of 'The Dalesman' each month.  There was a cartoon character called Young Fred who'd get up to some mischievious antics.....it was captioned in dialect and after a couple of years I began to have a little difficulty in figuring out what it said....but in my defence I think it did get rather extreme at that time.     It reminds me of an occasion when I returned 'up north' with my wife on holiday, staying with my uncle Jack in Cowling.    The holiday was in late July/early August and on a day which happened to be the 12th of August (the 'Glorious 12th') we had lunch in a moorland Pub.  Sitting in the inglenook was a chap with a girt stick and a Collie dog - Jack goes over to him......"Na then" says Jack "how't shooting going".   Now Jack had a wonderful strong accent......but when this chap started to answer - at length and with an even more pronounced accent  - Jack would from time to time nod and say 'Aye' or 'Na then'.    Eventually Jack returned to our table and, looking somewhat embarrassed, he said  "I couldn't understand a ruddy word he said".....

A bit early but.....Christmas Greetings.

 

     



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Posted - 04/12/2005 : 17:42
Good man Pete. I'd started to wonder if I'd dreamed the old shoe in the shed. It was still there in the mid 1950's. It was massive wasn't it?  Nolic


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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 06:17
Nice piecePete and valuable.  Do more!  Wooden shed on 40 steps.  Paul Brydon had a 'marine store' (rag and bone man) at the far end of Commercial Street.Norman Wellock worked for him and took the business over.  At some point it transferred to the wooden shed next to the beck which then became a sort of builder's yard.  So the giant shoe would fit.  I'll have a furtle when I've got one or two tasks done and see what I can dig out on Harrison and Gisburn Road.  Good post, do more for us, this is where the prime source clues come from!


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peteaharrison
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 16:01
Thanks Stanley (3.3.2007 - edited from Stan, as I'm now aware no-one uses that abreviation )....as I was only seven years old when I left Barlick in 1953 (Coronation year) my recollections are rather limited.....also I spent 10 months from December 1949 in St Lukes Hospital, Bradford.  However, I have a clearer memory of characters and events in Barlick from all those years ago than I do of things that have happened very recently......isn't it strange how the brain degenerates in that way?
And have you noticed that you always find any inaccurancies in something you've written on-line after it's been sent?    The 'proper' word for playing is of course LAKIN' not lackin' as I wrote in my previous piece!....I bet you thought  "he's never from Barlick!"
Going back to the Coronation year reference I remember sitting in my classroom at Rainhall Road School and the Headmaster/Headmistress (which would it have been in 1952?) coming in to sadly announce that the King had died.   The following year I was chosen to be a Herald in a school Pageant....I really didn't want to be a Herald - I was a very shy lad!  My family flitted to Weymouth before the Pageant was performed....and oh joy! I didn't have to be bloomin' Herald!  So if there's anybody out there that had to stand in as a Herald in the Rainhall Road School Pageant in 1953....sorry!.....and thanks!
Another thing that comes to mind with regard to living in North Street is the Police Station on the corner of North Street and Manchester Road.  Police Sargeant Carrington had sons of about my age, and one of them had a scar near one of his shoulder blades.   Apparently a 'Robber' had fired a shot at his dad, missed him and caught the lad in the back! 
There's a danger here of just rambling in a self indulgent personal manner that is of little interest to others....but there was a young man who used to stand for hours at the corner of James Street and North Street.....his name was Ernest.   Returning to Barlick during a holiday period in the mid 1960s my father and I walked up North Street and there was Ernest....my father asked if we recognised each other.  I held my hand out and said "of couse I remember Ernest" and he shaking my hand said "Peter".   That was a very special and emotional moment as anyone reading this who knew Ernest might appreciate.
The place me mam used to take me to have my hair cut was down the bottom of Manchester Road on a corner on the right.....going into town (is that the beginning of Church Street?) I think the Barber was a Mr Catlow?
Pete 
 




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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 16:04
Pete, the headmistress  at RR school might have been Doris Riding. Miss Ogden from Earby woulf definitely have been one of the teachers. There are some photos of school staff on the site. Nolic


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peteaharrison
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 16:41

Thanks Nolic....I have seen a photo (singular...as you suggest there are others I'll have a look)....Miss Ogden is very much a part of my school-days recollections.....it was she who severely repremanded a lad (whose name I've unfortunately forgotten!) for singing a song with very rude words very loudly in the classroom.....we kids were all very shocked - he became something of a folk hero.....it went something like this:- "One, two, three allara - I saw my Aunty Sarah - sitting on her bum-dallara - eating (what sounded like) baby's chocolate" Boy was he in trouble!

Pete

 



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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 17:15
Pete, what you describe isn't degeneration it's regeneration!  It is common to the 'chronologically enhanced' members of the community.  As for the dialect word for playing, I always spell it 'laik' because the Norwegian word from which it comes is spelt that way.  Lik in Noorwegian means play and of course the Norse invaders gave it to us with many other words.  Off the top of my head Boose and boskin come to mind.  The barber was Catlow, next door to the Stars I think.  Writing like this isn't self-indulgent, or if it is it doesn't mean that it isn't of interest to other people.  Look at the response you have had so far, keep going!


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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 04:09

Great reading Pete,  makes site more interesting, especially for ex pats.  We lived in Barlick from about 42 (Butts) then up on King st. next to the Legion, went to the Church school and then briefly to Skipton Grammar School.  Moved to Nelson in 1950, went to Nelson Grammar School, left for Canada in 1953.  Parents both worked at Rolls in Barlick and then in Montreal.

Before we left they bought a fish and chip shop in Blacko from Duckworth's in Barlick.

Family names still around Barlick would be Smith, Kendal, Houseman, Taylor(now Broughton).  Don't remember teachers from Church school except for a Mr. Marsden who then lived in Cltheroe, I think.  Others in my class were Ronnie Clough and Roger (deceased) whose family had a butcher shop in town and farm on the way to Victory Park.

Remember the night that word came of the end of the war, my mother grabbed me and we were off down town, me in pj's, lot's of noise.  We had many bonfire nights Nov.5 on a vacant lot just off King St., beside what I think was the Ivory Hall building?

Regards and let's hear more.

 




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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 08:17
Herb, that would be the square at the top of Brook Street.  You keep going as well......  this is really interesting stuff and as you say, great for the other ex-pats.  Maz and Cath are younger but I'll bet they are reading this.


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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 08:54
Herb, there is a photo of the square you refer to on the site I think under Ivory Hall ( where did the name come from? ) Nolic


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peteaharrison
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 19:24

The war-time rationing of some items didn't end until the early 1950s. I remember taking my ration book up to the top of North Street, through the Ginnel (at the time I thought that that particular alleyway was named "The Ginnel" rather than ginnel being a term used to describe any narrow alley) across what was then a rough muddy area where we kids used to play marbles using any indentations in the ground as a target to get our 'Alleys' into. At the end of this area and perhaps somewhere near the 'Greyhound' was the sweet shop (they probably sold other less important stuff as well!).....I'm sure that the shopkeeper was a Mr Brown.... he'd cut the coupons from my book and I'd give him a penny or two.....I remember buying long, thin, pink, spearmint chewy bars, and when we moved away from Barlick I couldn't get them down South!

Very much childhood memories....but you don't tend to do much beer drinking at aged seven - and as a result I am not very familiar with Barlick boozers (Pubs that is....though I do know one or two lads that might be referred to as 'boozers'.....my cousin Glen Smith can knock 'em back!).

There was an occasion about thirty years ago when another relative that I was visiting took me to.....is it the Anchor at Salterforth?....and, as I was by this time considered to be a 'Southerner' and there's this fallacy that they're not used to drinking anything but very weak stuff, my companion advised me to stick to a particular brew and to "leave that one there well alone" pointing to one which apparently was only suitable for hardened northcountry folk. The following evening he was working a night shift and I returned to the Anchor alone. I daringly ventured to try a couple or so of pints of the 'heavy'....and lived to tell the tale...though, thinking about it, could it have been due to the fact that I was originally a Barlicker that I was conditioned and able to take the strong stuff? I can't remember what the beer was, but it was pretty good. As I recall I spent much of the evening in the company of the Polish landlord of this pub on the outskirts of my old home town of Barlick (the place which for me held quite a nostalgic appeal)... listening to him talking about a recent holiday he'd spent in Weymouth, the town I then lived in and had travelled to Barlick from...it was interesting but quite strange. That experience almost neutralised the sentimental feeling I had evoked that morning by taking a jam jar and net up New Road at 6am "for old occasions sake" to catch Sticklebacks in the canal....I really did....and me a grown man!

Pete



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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 00:54

Herb, the "Roger" you talk about now deceased, may have been Roger Stansfield.  His parents Jack and Mary had a butchers shop on Albert Road but when I knew them they lived at Hilltop Farm on Manchester Road opposite Hey Farm.  There was Roger,a brother called Malcolm and a sister called Catherine.

Roger passed away about 2 years ago, leaving a son who lives in Clitheroe and a daughter who is a friend of mine and lives in Sidney.




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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 03:19
Pete, I'm surprised that Mags didn't pick up on Brown's shop on Crow Row.  We lived at the Hey in those days and we were always popping into Mrs Brown's for odds and sods.  It smelt like a grocer's shop and if I remember rightly the door was a double door and very narrow when only one leaf was open....  Am I right Margaret?


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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 03:35
Yes, we used to get our bread on Friday's from Mrs Brown's.  The door was a very narrow one and there were also shutters on the windows at night.


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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 04:41

Marg. That was the Roger I was thinking of.

True confession time Pete you wrote about sweet shop.....we used to go into shop just up small hill off middle of King St.  at that time we all had white mice and used to carry them around in pants pocket, in the store we would pull them out to show the shopkeeper (bless her dear old soul) and she would always run into the back, we would help ourselves to stick of gum or whatever..I'm sure she knew what was up.

Remember selling poppies for Legion and then great meal of meat and potato pie afterwards, and the Christmas pantomines, Christmas caroling door to door.

My uncle Heb was crippled in an accident, working for the town, his horse bolted and cart ran over his back, good people of town insisted on carrying him inside and laying him on couch rather than table..pop went the spinal cord...but good part for me when he finally got out of hospital was taking him to the Majestic a couple of nights every week.  Also remember going to the Palace (?) or Majestic on Saturdays for 6p.  Rols Royce Xmas parties were always a welcome time.




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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 04:57

Couple of other thoughts while I'm in the mood.

Always enjoyed fairs down by butts, visits to town stables,painful trips to Dr.Pickard's office, once spent 13 weeks in isolation hospital in Keithly(?) with scarlet fever.  On my last visit to town cousin Rita (Broughton) intoduced me to chap who had bought their house, turned out he had lived right behind me in the suburbs of Montreal in Canada.  Same night they took us to Chinese take out (thought Barlick had finally come of age!) but they ordered fish and chips!

My Grandmother (Annie Kendal) who originally came from Ireland was so anti Catholic that I remember on Sunday nights she would close all the drapes on front of her house, she lived on street where Catholic Church and School was/is (maybe Gisburn St.) the Priest would go door to door to pick up collection from the sinners who missed mass, she did not even want to see "that man" on her street.  I was never to let her know that my best buddy then was a John Trelfall (?) and a Catholic.




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