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Stanley
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Opening text too long so I've moved it to the first response.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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stanley at barnoldswick.freeserve.co.uk
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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 27/04/2008 : 23:52
Haha,the Julie Goodyear or the Lisa Stansfield doesnt have the same ring to it does it......DREE,ive looked it up on an Edwin Waugh site,it means ,wearily steadily.....
http://domain1041943.sites.fasthosts.com/waugh/c_poems_(6).htm#Gradely
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Stanley
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 06:02
Bodge. Ganister was originally the name for a local rock, high in silica that was found around Sheffield. It was discovered that if it was finely ground and mixed with clay and water it made an ideal refractory for use either as a liner or in making firebrick. The term is now used more widely for any similar silica rich material. It made the lining of the furnaces maore able to withstand heat and was also useful as a liner for furnaces making acid, as opposed to basic, steel. One often forgotten fact is that all glazed bricks were made with firebricks as the base as common brick had too high a failure rate in the higher temoperatures used for firing the glazed brick. Often found, together with clay, in association with coal seams as in the case of the Hepworth company where, in the end, the making of firebrick, fireclay and glazed drainage pipes became more important than the coal getting aspect of the business. Very handy combination as the coal was used for firing the kilns for the bricks and pipes.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Bodger
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 08:10
By Heck Stanley, tha'ht a reet fountaln of knowledge, thanks for the explanation
"You can only make as well as you can measure"
Joseph Whitworth
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belle
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 09:07
Well now, you have brought me full circle Tripps! Reading the poem "come home..." i realise not only was this familiar , but I actually knew every word, I began to wonder whether you had posted on another topic recently and I was remembering it from there....then my mind went back to the book i mentioned a while ago that contained Lancashire songs. It was a large thin volume that i found in my fathers bookcase when i was about thirteen, and it contained music and words to songs in Lancashire dialect, but the only one i can remember was "Yon robin"... and not all of that....I couldn't be remembering this from there, it's forty years since i read it! Then Call mentioned Edwin Waugh, and the name rang a definite bell, then Tom put the link in and Yes, this was definitley the author of at least part of the book, i found myself knowing the titles of at least three other poems. Thanks all of you for taking me back forty years, and proving beyond doubt that reciting something as a poem or song, keeps it in the memory far longer...no wonder ancient oral history was conveyed this way!
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belle
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 09:22
I have had a better look round the link Tom, and see there is actually a picture of the book itself, the first one, Waugh's Lancashire songs, it is identical, but on searching the contents could I find the poem i remembered as "yon robin" ?...then i realised it's there but called "yesterneet" the 'yon robin' bit is the chorus. I am so chuffed with myself, i always knew my memory was good but not that good!
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Callunna
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 12:22
Edwin Waugh is one of my heroes and a great inspiration. I have a book of his songs and do a few of them myself, my favourite being Ah've worn me bits o'shoon away. I'm afraid I didn't like the tune so I made up my own, which might sound a bit arrogant but Waugh didn't write the tune in the first place so I thought I could get away with it.
"...proving beyond doubt that reciting something as a poem or song, keeps it in the memory far longer...no wonder ancient oral history was conveyed this way!"
You're spot on there, Belle!
The actual facts may get altered over the years so songs or poems can't be relied on as real evidence but they certainly keep old traditions alive. Just look at that marvellous poem about the village dance which is posted on OGFB somewhere.
One of my proudest moments was hearing that the children of Gisburn Road school had learned one of my own songs, Bernulf, to sing in their choir. Perhaps it will inspire them to research Barlick's history in the future. And James & Mary Jane always goes down well wherever I sing it, giving an insight into our cotton mill heritage. A school down south bought 10 copies of that CD!
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 14:08
Could the "slack", bits of coal dust, have become "slag"? term used in Sudbury in reference to the red hot piles dumped after processing of rock to remove the nickel. Many folks used to park and watch the dumping process, it was like fireworks on Nov.5.
HERB
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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 22:41
Cally,its your enterpritation of the song,if you did the music like Waugh you would have to play it on a fiddle,not arrogant at all..
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Stanley
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 06:10
Herb, 'slck was first noted as a middle English word with the same meaning as todays in the first half of the 15th C. There is an ango-saxon word 'sleak' which could be the root and this was used to describe a shallow valley, a meaning that can still be found today in placenames. Slag, the molten dross left after separation of a metal from the ore emerges round about the mid 16th C and appears to have originated in Germany, not surprising as at that time the german miners were making great improvements in smelting metals. So, on the face of it, the poor information we have suggests that they are not related.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 17:09
The word slack also means a shallow pond or boggy ground. Often used in connection with sand dunes - the areas of shallow freshwater that collect behind the dunes before filtering through into the sea. Where the natterjack toads live at Freshfields, Formby.
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belle
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 22:43
For some obscure reason in the plural it refers to casual trousers! Slack trousers I suppose!
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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 30/04/2008 : 00:17
So what is one trouser?
When one has a pair of trousers, it is one garment.
For that matter I wear one pair of knickers at a time?!? What (beside a quid) is a knicker. How does one keep a knicker up for that matter.
....Thinking about it, how about pairs of tights as well, pairs of stockings I can understand.
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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 30/04/2008 : 08:08
Sorry, carry on with the dialect stuff. I sort of interupted there. It won't happen again.
I would bow my head further with shame, but there is a limit to how far it will go with my tongue plated firmly in my cheek!
Edited by - Julie in Norfolk on 30/04/2008 08:09:26 AM
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Stanley
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Posted - 30/04/2008 : 08:42
My Tailor, Eric Spencer of Ilkley always used to refer to a gents outer nether garments as 'a trouser'. I've had a dig and the origin is obscure. At the end of the 16th C 'trouse' seems to have come into use as a variation on the older 'trews' still found in Scottish dialect. An alternative word before this was 'pantalets' and this is the obvious origin of 'pants'. I suspect that the plural form slipped in because whilst they are one garment they cover two legs. Knickers is more modern. In 1800 'Knickerbocker' was the name given to the fictitious author of Washington Irving's 'History of New York'. As far as I can make out it was a new word. It came to be used as a description for descendants of the original Dutch settlers in the area who wore a form of breeches with a shortened lower leg and the noun gradually transfeered to these garments. The first instance of the shortened form 'Knicker' seems to have been noted towards the end of the 19th C as an alternative name for 'under-drawers', a newly invented undergarment for both men and women. From then on it pluralised and became knickers. We had an extensive discussion on this subject some time ago when we were looking at 'Bloomers' another modern term coined from the name of the lady who first wore a divided leg skirt in the early days of cycling. We've also covered the history of men's underpants...... What an interesting site.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 30/04/2008 : 08:46
PS. I looked 'trews' up and the first mention in Scotland is 1560 as a name for breeches worn by Scottish soldiers. Seems to be a derivation from the Old French 'trebus' - breeches. So I suppose this is the original root of trousers from Old French.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Barlick View
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Dialect and other regional matters.
