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Stanley
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Old topic is HERE
Stanley Challenger Graham
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frankwilk
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Posted - 24/01/2011 : 09:38
That's how I heard it explained as well.
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belle
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Posted - 24/01/2011 : 09:38
Do you think "Clinker" is onoematapeic (or however it's spelt!)
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frankwilk
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Posted - 24/01/2011 : 09:42
Nah it's what falls off the back of chain grate boilers, or I have heard it described as, I better leave that.
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Stanley
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Posted - 25/01/2011 : 07:03
Belle. the root of the word for clinching the nails is that as well and could easily be a reinforcement for the use of the word clinker in that context. Word origins are far more complicated than simple derivations and we do well to remember that. Think about a word like 'ring' as in 'ringing a bell'. It actually sounds like the noise a bell makes. Webster give origin as ME ringen, OE hringhan, ON hringjha. German ringen. Who is to say that all these weren't onomatopaeic? Think of the word for mother. mom. mum mutti. mere etc. Often thought to be based on the first sounds a baby makes.
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belle
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Posted - 25/01/2011 : 08:40
I think it's because we use the term "clink" for the sound of glassware touching briefly and that is not unlike the sound of "clinkers".
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catgate
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Posted - 25/01/2011 : 10:58
I suppose prisoners could be called clinkers.
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belle
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Posted - 25/01/2011 : 11:06
yes, but they weren't..it's not a rule that has to be applied universally...it's colloquialism..
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Bradders
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Posted - 25/01/2011 : 13:24
I have a recollection of my Dad explaining "gone for a Burton" in Brewery /beer terms ....Burton-on-Trent or the Burtonwood brewery ?
Also wasn't there an engine refurbishment company called Burtonwood ?
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belle
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Posted - 25/01/2011 : 14:37
Yes that's the one i heard Bradders which is why this new explanation intriued me.
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Stanley
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Posted - 26/01/2011 : 04:14
Brewer; Phrase and Fable thinks it originated in the RAF. Burton on Trent ales were famous and often ordered as 'A Burton' so you get the idea of Burton = drink. Drink was slang for the sea so by association 'going for a burton' could mean crashed in the sea. Probably some sort of mixture of the two. Sounds plausible to me.
Burtonwood in Lancashire was the location of one of the biggest US air bases in WW2.
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marilyn
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Posted - 26/01/2011 : 09:16
I thought klinker referred to bricks that are well fired.
(and were a modern day referral to constipation)
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tripps
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Posted - 26/01/2011 : 11:04
I don't think anyone ever ordered "a Burton" in a pub. (Can you get treatment for continual scepticism on the NHS?). Brewed in the town were Bass, Ind Coop and Allsop, Worthington, Whitbread, which were all marketed under their brand name. The ony brewery with Burton in the name seems to be The Burton Brewery which only dates back to 1982. Don't forget - a few days ago it was said on here that the phrase referred to going for a (Montague) Burton demob suit!
I guess we are still in "don't know" territory. There must be an origin somewhere - who knows?
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catgate
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Posted - 26/01/2011 : 11:56
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tripps wrote:
Don't forget - a few days ago it was said on here that the phrase referred to going for a (Montague) Burton demob suit!
I think you may find that this has a more to do with "The full Monty" than airmen being shot down into the drink.
Every silver lining has a cloud.
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tripps
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Posted - 26/01/2011 : 13:59
Good to see you paynig attention, but Belle started the current theme with -
"Going for a Burton" and the "full Monty" attributing both to the Leeds Clothier Montague Burton....the first being a reference to a de mob suit, so when you left the forces you "went for a Burton" and the second meaning a suit with all the trimmings"
As I said before - either or both may, or may not be true. My money is on both false.
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catgate
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Posted - 26/01/2011 : 14:56
I always favoured Henry Price's "50 shilling tailor" (John Collier) . Burtons were too upmarket for me.
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