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Stanley
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Posted -  21/01/2009  :  17:11
This is a continuation of Steeplejack's Next Corner. Click on this link for the older topic:

Jacks Corner Part 3


Stanley Challenger Graham




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Tizer
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 11:15
Swifty, oldies like me wouldn't want to go back to the `good old days' as they were because there was a lot wrong with them. But we thought it was getting fixed. Then it seems we threw out the baby with the bathwater. we should have kept the good aspects of the past and replaced the bad with better but it often hasn't worked like that. Lots of people have got more money than they would have had in the old days - but they haven't always got jobs, and when they have jobs they will probably lose them after a few years. We knew how to be content with the same job and a modest wage but everyone has now been so brainwashed by the advertisers and entertainment media that they get depression if they can't have the latest model Ipod. I'm old enough to not want any of that and to be sceptical of the media, so I'm happy!

Alan, you referred to "our rock bottom universities". Some are like that and some private ones have been set up to simply make money for those who run them. But we still have great universities. They produce a lot of excellent scientists and mathematiciansbut guess where they go to work - the investment banks (`casino' banks) have been taking all they can get. They've been creaming off the best of the universities' output and using them as analysts to make them more money in the `City' (and these are the Boyles, Hookes and Einsteins of today). You can't really blame the graduates when the banks offer them starting salaries of going on for £100,000 (and remember these are graduates who are coming out of uni with a big debt - to a bank!). Thankfully the credit crunch slowed down this drain on our best techical graduatesbut it looks like it's going to start returning to its previous level.


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DickTurnip
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 12:06
Bodger. That Joseph Adamson place in Hyde where you worked-We did the demo on the stack there-well we started it until the money stopped arriving. That was the one where we drilled the guys Kango into thetop of the stack and stripped out the ladders. I remember there was always cars dumped in the canal on Monday mornings. Also watched them pressing boiler end plates-fascinating place..


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swifty
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 19:00
but do you not  think that money is the root to all evil in all of this   most of the fat cats have near wrecked all the good big companys, bust a few smaller companys just for the sake of it i  have heard of companys subby bustin just for the sake of it , i once saw a board outside a small church which read there is enough in the world for everyones need but not enough for everyones greed , im not saying that its wrong to live well off  or be poor but their needs to be a happy medium somewhere along the lines ,


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bob hulin
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 20:19
Chris, just passed joe Adamson's place in Hyde. the Kango's still up there but looks a bit rusty, wonder if it would work with a spray of W.D 40. on it.Wink


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DickTurnip
I stink of Marmite!!!!!!!!


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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 20:37
Laughing Would hate to think what the hire bill is up to just now. Must be 15 years ago....Doubt WD would help much Bob-it was crap when we had it-we called it the Bluebird (toffee hammer)


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Stanley
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Posted - 13/01/2010 : 06:29
Swifty, it's the age old conundrum that nobody has ever been able to solve. There is a very deep and complicated philosophy which was the root of feudal societies 1000 years ago that a system could only work efficiently if there were masters and servants, haves and have nots. As far as I can see this is still the preferred system of the fat cats. The trick us underlings have always used is to accept the system but bend it so we have a laugh along the way. If you think about it steeplejacks are a wonderful example of this. They may not have the wealth but they are a bloody sight happier than the fat cats. Who needs a yacht in Monte Carlo when you can have a crack with your mates 200ft up a stack? Besides, we are more useful than the fat cats and when we go to heaven they'll let us in with no problems on the grounds we left the world a better place than we found it. The fat cats haven't got that defence.

Now then, whose round is it?

I love the Kango story.....  Good illustration of what I have just said. Well done lads!


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Stanley
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Posted - 13/01/2010 : 06:50


Here's a good example of a master/servant relationship that wasn't based on exploitation. The big bloke with the beard is John Kelly of MGF trenching systems and the other man is Jack his Pit Boss. John was the gaffer but in terms of their relationship they were nearer to partners than anything else because Jack was so skilled and essential to the job. John didn't maintain his status as a boss by wage differentials, he did it by mutual respect. No coincidence that they were doing a difficult, dirty job and did it well. They had put a hole 15ft deep into boulder clay and running sand well below the water table. Opposite direction to jacking but just as difficult. 


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Stanley
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Posted - 15/01/2010 : 10:59
I got mail this morning from a bloke called Tom Benfield:

Dear Stanley,

As a newcomer to the web I was so pleased to come across your wonderful website. As a retired steeplejack, you have brought back so many happy memories for me. Unfortunately the internet came too late to record much of the London scene, but the contributions by your many wonderful contributors keeps our brilliant profession alive. Yes, it was always hard and hazardous work, but we were blessed with great companionship and as your website shows, friendships lasting throughout our lives. I loved the 'away' work and it showed me places I would never have seen. It also introduced me to so many different people and their varied ways of life. What more could a young man ask for as he found his way through life? Like most places, nearly all the chimneys have gone in London and in a way I regret my share in their demise. I considered many works of art and it was a scandal really that we were allowed to take flogging hammers to them. Ah well, that's progress. Nearly all the big industrial sites have gone as well and if you look across the Lea Valley and Brimsdown etc, you would have difficulty in finding a forty foot chimney and that would be a steel one. There are so few brick stacks here now that it wont be too long before kiddies are asking their dad's "dad what's a chimney"? I think we will have to take them out on outings up North to try and find some. My nearest one is at Whipps Cross hospital (attached) and the only other one that comes to mine is the old brewery in Brick lane E.1. I have also attached a photo that I am sure will interest you. As Stacks go it was only a baby, but it was very creepy for me. It belonged to a laundry ( 'Peerless' I think) and I had to re-band it. This chimney overlooked the back yard of the Notting Hill murderer John Christie and it was very disconcerting to look over the yard where he had buried his unfortunate victims. I couldn't get the job done quick enough! The main firms working in my area were Barlings, who had Bristol connections, Virons in Edmonton and Beaumonts in Brixton. My firm, Hillside erection services, was based in Stamford Hill, Hackney. There were a few individual steeplejacks working for themselves on a small scale and they mainly survived by 'subbing' off the larger firms. I remember erecting an 80foot steel chimney for a firm called Levy's based in Leyton and the owner Phil Levy had a notorious reputation for saving money. The flanges on his steel chimneys were so thin you wondered how the things ever stood up in the mildest breeze. Anyway I bolted all the sections up on the ground and when the crane lifted it, the base was all out. I phoned him with the bad news that the crane would have to lower it and come back when the base had been sorted. The cost of re-hiring the crane was too much for Phil so he got me to erect the stack and guy it off. When we sorted the base out, he got me to 'walk' the stack onto its base! That was one hairy job I can tell you. We had to let off the guys a little and using crowbars we inched the chimney over towards the base. We used packing to get it higher than the protruding bolts and then using toe jacks lowered it on the base. All the time I had visions of the stack crashing through the factory roof and I declined any more work from the penny-pinching Mr Levy. Well Stanley, that's it for now and perhaps you could include this on your wonderful site. It might prompt other stories from the London area. Best wishes to you and all my fellow steeplejacks. Take care if you are still working in the trade and if you are retired, take pride in what you achieved for

 

you have much to be proud of my brothers. Tom Benfield.   



Whipps Cross hospital.



Whipps Cross.



The backyard at Rillington Place and the chimney that Tom banded.


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Bodger
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Posted - 15/01/2010 : 15:00
Hi Tom, wecome to the site, i have no connection with chimneys, other than as an apprentice draughtsman i went up a newly built 100ft, kiln chimney to check measurements, it was no problem has it was in saffold. I have been on this site for a while now, and if you are like me you will find it addictive, please look at all the various subjects, you'lll be on for hours.

                                                 Tony aka Bodger


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LondonJack
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Posted - 15/01/2010 : 18:39
Thank you Tony and I hope you get this. I'm fumbling my way through at the moment so not too sure if this is going to end up in the right place. Now give me an old valve radio and I'm in my element. I have sent an email to Victor regarding purchasing his book, so I hope he gets that as well. Best wishes from Tom. Londonjack.


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Stanley
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Posted - 16/01/2010 : 07:07
Tom, stop apologising and get posting some stories. If you have any probs with pics just send them to me and I'll post them for you. By the way, welcome to the site, we need young blood!


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Bodger
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Posted - 16/01/2010 : 10:06
Tommy, recieving you loud & clear, i appreciate your hobby, my paternal grandfather was in the " wireless" business, on my parents wedding cert. he is desribed as a wireless manufacturer, during my genealogy of the family, i discovered he ran a company, The Alpha Coil & Component company in Sheff ield,1920 to 1935, my father must have been involved, i remember him in the 1940/50s repairing a building sets for neighbours, boxes of Valves, transformers, rectifiers , etc, were in his workshop, the nearest i got  to was building a crystal set, about 7 years ago i bought  our  then 12yr  grandson a kit of parts, it lay unused for about 6 months, then bored he decided to have a go at it, when he succeeded in recieving music he was amazed. I will attach a link to Popular Mechanics, in the 1920s, each month they ran an article on building Recievers.
http://books.google.ie/books?id=DtsDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=RA1-PA127#v=onepage&q=&f=true
Just click on the link it will give you an idea of what i'm talking about.
Somewhere on this site i recall someone building a set from bits and pieces, i'm sure Stanley will point you in the right direction
                                                  Tony


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Tizer
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Posted - 16/01/2010 : 11:23
Tom, welcome to the forum! I received your email to Vic - I set up the account to help him promote his book. I've replied to you and passed on your message to Vic.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 17/01/2010 : 05:53
I can't remember who it was who was building the set. Look up topic on 'Free radio licence' in Hobbies section of forums. 'Ham radio'.


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AlanMc
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Posted - 17/01/2010 : 15:44
Tom,

Welcome to the forum.
Regrettably, I'm not a Steeplejack--although I have been keenly interested in Industrial chimneys all of my adult life.  I suppose that I am the site's only Master Boilermaker; now retired.
Alan.
www.sledgehammerengineeringpress.co.uk

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